Characters in the Drakenberg Genealogy
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How Vere's of Oxford Married Rozala of Ivrea
For a reader hopping into an update for the first time, there is not much I can say in an introductory paragraph to explain everything needed before proceeding. The only readers able to follow are those taking the time needed to get a solid idea of the entire scope. It is probably impossible to follow unless the heraldic Coats are loaded and viewed. It would be helpful to have a photographic memory, or to at least spend some time to get to know Coats, and to understand what I'm saying about them. I did the work over years to be able to present to you the relevant Coats, and you need only decide whether I am correctly interpreting the evidence and the codes. It is far best that you load Coats on a separate browser(s) rather than clicking back and forth from the update page. It might take longer for one to read an update than the week it takes me to write it, but that's what it'll take for a solid understanding of what I'm doing. I know that few have the time to follow this in that way. My hope is...actually, I should have no such hopes as I should just allow God to do what He wants with this. One of my goals at this time is to discover the parent(s) of Josephs Caiaphas, and in the meantime to prove that heraldic masters and leading Templar families knew that all of heraldry had, at its foundations, Caiaphas and his circle of Christ killers. These updates are jot-down format (sub-titles don't usually reflect the roaming topics well) making it hard / impossible to have a pre-plotted storyline. I'm no longer doing final proof-reads, please excuse the imperfections / mistakes. Ever since I decided to use apostrophes only after surnames ending in vowels, I started to catch myself using apostrophes before the 's' of pluralized words, making it appear that I need to return to primary grammar school.
If ever you'd want to check a description in the Coat of Arms, type the surname at this page: http://www.free-coat-of-arms.com/
The following is strange:
Turkey will have a permanent military base near the Iraqi province of Mosul Bashiqah, where Turkish troops are training Iraqi Kurdish fighters (Peshmerga), the Hurriyet Daily News reported on Saturday....Baghdad has called on Ankara to "immediately" withdraw its forces, including tanks and artillery, which it has deployed in the country's northern Ninawa province, allegedly on a training mission, without Baghdad's consent, according to a full statement from the press service of Iraqi Prime Minister Haider Abadi obtained by RIA Novosti.
The Iraqi authorities called on Turkey to "respect good neighborly relations" and "immediately withdraw its military from the territory of Iraq."
It's a complete no-brainer for Turkey that it can't employ military in Mosul apart from Iraq's consent, and yet it did so, anyway, even while claiming to oppose the formation of a Kurdish state in Iraq. I don't know how something like that can take place aside from some extraordinary circumstances. Turkey is influenced by Washington, and perhaps that explains this latest move, for Washington is on a fast-track to Mosul involvement to keep the Russians out of that war theater. Here is from an article dated the same day:
...Earlier this week, US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said Washington was deploying a "specialized expeditionary targeting force" to Iraq to assist Iraqi and Kurdish forces battling IS."We completely reject the deployment of US forces in Iraq to carry out military and intelligence operations..." Khalaf Abd Samad said in a statement.
According to Sputnik he also stressed the need to respect the Iraqi-US agreement on the withdrawal of US troops signed in 2011, and noted that any foreign deployment in Iraq would be considered occupation and the violation of Iraqi sovereignty.
What's better for the most-precise truth, pro-Russian Pravda, or pro-West Moscow Times? First of all, what would you think of a pro-Russia Washington Times? If that's underhanded and insidious, not to mention intrusive, shouldn't we say the same about the Moscow Times? I say that the Moscow Times leaves out an enormous amount of news interesting to the Russians, and that Pravda, while having a heavy anti-West attitude, is at least good for any news not favoring the West. And so we read the following from Pravda that may or may not be in Western news (I haven't checked):
Russian President Vladimir Putin discussed the [downed-Russian jet] incident with all of his colleagues, whom he talked to in Paris....According to Putin, Turkey made a huge mistake, having attacked the Russian bomber plane that had not violated Turkish airspace.
"We have every reason to believe that the decision to shoot down our aircraft was based on the wish to ensure the safety of those oil delivery routes to Turkey - right to the ports, from where oil is then loaded into tankers," RIA Novosti quoted the Russian president as saying.
http://www.pravdareport.com/news/world/01-12-2015/132746-putin_turkey_su-0/
That is one huge public statement / accusation. According to Turkey, it didn't know that the plane was Russia's. But neither will Turkey apologize for the incident. But the cat is out of the bag, that Turkey is pumping money to ISIS. Unless Putin is lying. How will this effect the turning of events in the Syria war? First of all, it allows Putin to justify the placing of it's most advanced anti-missile system in Syria, and, of course, the United States won't like to be out-done in this department. Is that a little scary? In the news, the Americans are building an air force in northern Syria.
It's always been up-in-the-air debatable as to how Russia would enter Iraqi-war scenarios. At this time, the ball of fate suggests that Russia needs to form an alliance with the Kurds to get at Mosul, and, yet, if the Americans turn the Kurds against Putin, then what? That may not be a possible task anymore, however. Here is a statement in Pravda: "Russia can play on contradictions among the "allies." Supporting the Kurds could be Russia's adequate response to Erdogan for the downed Su-24. It would also weaken Erdogan's positions in both Syria and Turkey." Is this the way Russia will seek Iraqi involvement? Will Russia seek to beat the West in a bid for the hearts of Kurds? Haven't the Kurds seen the double standard of the West, its luke-warmness of late, its dubious resolve to defeat ISIS? On the other hand, Russia currently has a true desire to wipe out ISIS. But on the question of how a Russia opposed to ISIS could possibly cause the anti-Christ to arise in Mosul, I am at a loss to predict, unless Russia needs to abandon Assad and join ISIS. Anything such as this can happen in this war that's all about oil, not about loyalty to any one nation or people group.
And just as America wants to put some boots on the ground in Iraq, a "terror act" in California. I'll always be skeptical concerning the authenticity of such events, if they happen in America, Britain or France, especially if the timing coincides with a new shift in the Middle-East war. There is no ring of truth for a married Muslim couple to shoot Americans only to be killed themselves due to a lousy get-away plan. If they merely had planted a bomb, and left the scene, it would have had more ring of truth. But, had a bomb-planting been the case, which is the most-likely scenario, the FBI would not be able to call it a terror act for lack of knowing the suspects. In what did happen in California, it was immediately (within a couple of days) claimed to be a terror act. That's what was needed.
I don't like the way this story is being told. I don't think it's authentic. The plot's details seem woven to get the ire of the public. If there really were a Muslim threat in the United States over the last decade, hundreds of bombs would have gone off without the perpetrators being caught. It is such an easy thing to do, to make a bomb, and plant it anywhere that there are people, and just walk away without being known to anyone there. But what we have in California is more of a Hollywood movie, with the perpetrators taking a magnificent chance, the odds of getting away, in this technological world, being near zero. Can a shooting in a hall be faked by police? Of course it can. Do I know for sure that this was a faked event? No.
Here are some of the main points in those who claim another false-flag event:
Many have found it a bit odd that "active shooter drills" were going on around the same time of the shooting only 45 minutes away. The San Bernardino County Fire Department, who responded to the Wednesday shooting, posted to their Facebook page that they took part in the active shooting drill the day before.Crisis actors have been a subject of discussion in incidents similar to Wednesday's shooting for years. Tonight MSNBC threw more fuel on that fire.
Following the pursuit of two of the suspects in the shooting, both of which were killed, an MSNBC anchor can be heard saying not once, but twice, that all three actors were caught, adding suspicion to those who are already claiming the shooting to be a false flag.
When was the last time that you heard a mass-murderer or killer called an "actor"? I don't recall that term used once. And if the police reported only two shooters, why did the newsman say "three" were involved? If it's true that a shooting drill was performed the day before, what kind of people would be needed for it? Well, you need the police side, and you need the criminal side, and the bystanders. They would all be called, actors. And some of their members could have slipped out the next day to conduct a faked mass-murder scene. Or, far worse, to actually kill many. It's not inconceivable, and it's about time the general populace were at least open to the possibility. Others are reporting that the very building in which the shooting took place has been used monthly to conduct faked shooting drills. I don't know whether that's true, but, if it is, it certainly seems relevant. Major media is not expected to mention the drills because they come as a package with conspiracy theories, and media is not about to get into the same boat as the theorists. Faked events have political purposes.
After finding that the leader of clan Vere is a Mhaoir surname, this was found: "...Muir and Mhaior name variants courtesy of Dr. Hugh Vere." That explains why Muirs/More's/Mure's/Moors (share "non" with Nagle's) are using the Weir-fesse, with gold stars upon it instead of the white ones used by Weirs. The head in the Muir/More Crest is used by Heslingtons. . Irish Weirs are said to have a Mhaoir variation. And then, while Melusine of the Vere's got resolved to be Morgan le Fay, the Irish Moore's (Leicestershire) are using the Morgan lion. That reminds me, that I once came into contact, very closely, in my first year of Christianity, a Mr. Moore, who had nothing but a drive to be a Big Somebody. He decided that he was going to be a big somebody in Christianity, and before long, he and his group were claiming to me Moses and Elijah, with Mr. Moore being Moses. I wonder whether this is the sort of schizo mentality that Nichols de Vere suffered, for he seemed to be intent on gaining popularity, and he with his Drakenberg ancestors clearly thought astronomically high of themselves, otherwise they wouldn't be claiming special blood. Nicholas was prepared to start a cult around this special blood.
On top of this, French More's/Morets/Morez'/Morreys use the Fear/Fere moline (gold on red) cross in colors reversed. It's not likely that "Mhaoir" is a version of "Weir," even though the Irish were word slaughterers, but my instincts are to trace Mhaoirs to the Khazars of Moravia, and from there to Morays, in the same way that Fers and Vairs use the Cohen and Hohen checks, and just as mythical Melusine traces to Melissena Rangabe, the Khazar. More's/Morets/Morez'/Morreys were first found in the same place (Ile de France) as Morencys, and the latter use a cross in the colors of the More's/Morets/Morez'/Morreys moline. This has just revealed that Morencys were Khazars in the same place as Chappes', Levi's, Verona's/Vairs, and Cavii-liner Lys'/Lise's!
One can now start to recognize the French Merits/Mereys as a branch of the More's/MORETs/Morez'/Morreys. Merits use gold-on-red bends, and so see some bendy on the same colors found in the last update like so:
I've only now gone to the Wikipedia article on the Ceno, to discover, at its source area, a Varano de' MeleGARi location smacking of both the Varenne's/Verone's / Verona's/Vairs and a Melusine-Guerra entity. The Arms of Varano de' Melegari use bendy (Guerra symbol) in red and gold (imperial-Byzantine colors).That was found after presenting evidence of a Vere-Drakenberg trace to the Ceno along with a host of other surnames, a topic that started roughly with the mention of the KENsington location in the Vere write-up.
With three out of four More surnames now tracing to the Mhaoir-Vere family, the Moor head of German More's becomes linkable closely with the Chappes Moor head. There is nothing making more sense than the worst satanic cult ever tracing to Joseph Caiaphas. All my work over a decade seems to be culminating in emphasis on Drakenberg a Caiaphas lines. The last update found an amazing thing, seemingly revealing that William Shakespeare knew that Julius Caesar had children with Servilia Caepionis. This worth repeating, especially as Pucks use a long chevron in the colors of the same of Chappes':
In Shakespeare's works, Oberon's [a Vere mentioned by Nicholas) mother was made Morgan la Fey; we get it, that Melusine of Avalon was Morgan le Fay, from Morges in the Wallis realm of Walsers. The page at the Morgan link things that William Shakespeare was a Vere. The writer says that Robert/Robin was also named, Puck, possible code for Pucks or Pughs/Pews.There is a bit in that page on Shakespeare's, "A Midsummer's Night Dream," where Morgan was wife to Julius Caesar. Was that code for Servilia Caepionis? Was Morgan le Fay of myth a line of Julius Caesar with a child from Mrs. Caepio? Note that German Pucks are using a long chevron in the colors of the long Chappes chevron! Amazing coincidence. Note that Pughs/Pews use three fleur-de-lys on white, as do June's (same place as Capone's and Julians, near Huntingdon), for the three known daughters of Servilia Caepionis were all named, Junia. The Pucks even share the white-on-blue annulet of Ottone's! I've known this for years, but it has surprised me greatly to find this Shakespearian work along with a Puck name. Shakespeare must have known that Chappes' were from Caepio's, but it truly looks like he also knew that Caesar had children with Servilia.
I have never before seen the boy-like Moor heads of German More's (until last month), yet have been viewing that Coat for years. Boys in heraldry are of the PEVerels/Littleboys, and then Pughs are also "PEW." I'm going to guess that the German More Coat (Joseph / Levi colors) is a version of the Varenne Coat, and specifically in the colors of the English Bug Coat, for the latter's "water bouget" was traced to the founder (Bouchard II) of Montmorency. German Bugs are then showing the Varenne Coat exactly. AND, Bugs were first found in the same place as Annas', the name of Caiaphas' father-in-law. The Rose's who share the water bouget were from the Moray theater, at Nairn to be exact, a term like the ancient Neuri who are known to have lived on the Bug river of Ukraine! And the Neuri were traced to Nerthus, the ancient mother-earth goddess (= witchcraft) of the Varni/Warni! Yes, and Varns are in Varenne colors. There is nothing new about these traces; they've been on-going for a few years, but the method of making the trace again is new here.
I kid you not, and it's recorded in my updates: German Bugs/Buggens once showed three footless martlets in the colors and positioning of the three ravens now showing. But a giant footless martlet in these colors is now showing in the French Joseph Coat! I trace Caepionis', and therefore the ancestry of Joseph Caiaphas, to Cupionich, upon the Clausula river to the near-north of a modern Has location (Albania) at the north end of the Drin (ancient Drilon) river. Right beside Has is Krume, and then German Krume's (giant crescent in the colors of the Blackwood crescent) were first found in the same place (Hamburg, Varni theater) as German Bugs/Buggens . Then, the Kopple's/Koppels, like the Koplik version of Cupionich, use a giant rooster (a bird) in the colors of the giant martlet (a bird) of Josephs, while the previous Joseph symbol, in the same colors, was a giant swan (a bird).
A drakenberg.weebly.com webpage has this at the very top: "The mating of Ravens is the rhythmic inhalation and exhalation of the breath of Ravens, one by the other. And in this way are the children of Ravens fashioned. (The Raven is the Phoenix of the Elven Kings).'" It seems obvious that this garbage is an invention of those who know their ancestry in the raven vikings (surnamed, Stout). These buffoons create fantasy and expect you to swallow it when packaged in romantic terminology.
It was resolved (last update) that the Mhaoir-related Weirs traced to Garibald and Grimoald of Bavaria, and from there to the Bogans, using a giant bow in Bug/Buggen colors, who owned the Bavarian lozengy, the Weir symbol quite apparently. Both Weirs and Bavaria use the lozengy in a diagonal direction. I don't recall any other surname using lozengy in this direction. I have an online quote recorded in a few places telling that Bogens owned the Bavarian lozengy prior to the Wittelsbachs. Wikipedia has only taken it as far back as Wittelsbachs. Bogens, when viewed as Boughs (pronounced "boff") jibe with my aging trace of Boofima > Baphomet to Bavarians. And Baphomet was satanism too. So, we have a choice on whether to trace Drakenberg witchcraft to Nerthus or Baphomet, or both. But who cares?
One of my most-exciting moments will arrive when I can prove that certain elite priests of Israel, in escaping the invasion of Titus in 70 AD, ended up with the Varni. I don't know how such a trace can be proven using historical records available to the public, but heraldry has verified that theory ever since it was propped up some three years ago.
Note that the water bougets of Bugs are in the colors of the Biss scallops, for Meschins use these scallops while they too are boy liners of the Peverel kind. The point here is that Weishaupts, the surname of the founder of the Bavarian Illuminati, uses an IBIS. If I recall correctly, Biss' entered my discussion a few weeks ago based on that symbol.
As bouget-like Buckets show a Bouchard variation, it seems clear enough that Bouchard II of Montmorency was a Bug-river liner at Ile-de-France. Very apparently, these Buggers got hooked up with Khazar liners of the Melissena-Rangabe kind. The Buggers, by which I mean to insinuate the entire lot of Bug-river clans, got to the Campbells/Cammells, in Bug colors, and the same-colored Camps using a version of the Capone Coat.
Nicholas de Vere von Drakenberg (deceased) has a book suggesting that his line was from Transylvania. I don't care to read it, and so I wouldn't know whether he traces his line to Khazars on the Mures river. The point is, the Mures river is in what was once Transylvania. Plus, if you read some statements from the Vere's in the last update, you will know that the Vere's of Drakenberg started off in Blackwood of Lanarkshire, and while de Vere mentioned the Hamiltons of Lanarkshire (kin of Cammells, in my opinion) as some kin of Vere's, he didn't mention, so far as I know, the Biggars of Lanarkshire's Biggar location, smacking of BIHARia on the Mures, the chief city of the Mures-river Khazars.
I had a short dream during the last update, which I related to the reader near the start. It was a dream from God, I have no doubt, and it's intended meaning was to expose a Hungarian link to the Templar-Jerusalem flag, as well as a Hungarian link to the Varangian Rus of Kiev. If I recall correctly, the proto-Hungarian Magyars had a kingdom between Kiev and Khazaria. My point in repeating this is that the Szekely Transylvanians, on the Mures, claimed to be ancestors of Hungarians. And it's known that Hungarians were formed by seven Magyar tribes along with three Khazar tribes. These Mures-river Khazars, then, are the ancestry of the More's, Morencys, Muirs and the Weir-branch Mhaoirs. And Melusine was nothing but a line of Melissena Rangabe with her Varangian husband.
If I have been correct in tracing Vere's to Varni, then Vere's should also be from Varangians. There was an easy opportunity for a link between the Varangians of Kiev and the Neuri on the Bug. I doubt, however, that Neuri liners were exclusively on the Bug. If I'm correct in pegging the Neuri as from Nahor, brother of Abraham, then Cammels and Hamiltons are still on the table as from "KEMUEL," Nahor's son (Genesis 22). In fact, I have no doubt that Kemuel named Hamiltons, for they use the Bus cinquefoil while Nahor's son listed immediately before Kemuel was Buz. This is such a huge discovery...that historians (and Google) will definitely seek to suppress. What does it mean to be able to trace Nahor's line to Drakenberg? Is Armageddon Nahor verses Abraham?
The last update told that Shakespeare's are no longer showing the same spear design as Fulke's, but, as I showed, the link between the two surnames, and with the Vere-Melusine line in Anjou, is undeniable. I once read that Shakespeare was Francis Bacon, a chief Rosicrucian, and it just so happens that French Bacons use the Hamilton / Bus cinquefoil too. One Bacon Crest is a boar in the position of the Vere-Crest and Weir-Crest boars. But this paragraph is written here because I just asked myself what surname "Szkeley" might trace to, and upon loading the Shackle's (to see whether they exist or might apply), "SHAKEspeare" came to mind. How about that. As Alans of Dol have been traced to Neuri for over five years, note that Shackle's use a fesse in Alan-fesse colors. I've never seen "lozenge buckles." before, but that's what's on the Shackle fesse. The Shackle Crest is a poplar tree.
Well, Leslie's, known Hungarians in the Pre-Templar period when the Hungarian-Varangian alliance was flourishing, happen to use buckles, and so I'm seeing an Alan-Leslie merger in this Szekely-suspect surname. This recalls that Leslie's took over the estates of a line from Muriel Pollock, daughter of the older brother of Robert Pollock (the first and second Pollocks), while a daughter (Isabel) of Eschyna de Molle married Robert. It just so happens that mole hills are found in the Shack/Shake Coat! That makes Shacks/Shake's suspect as Szekely liners too.
http://www.free-coat-of-arms.com/Now, as Pollocks are from the Mieszko's, who descended from a mouse tower at Kopple-related Goplo (Italian Gobels use a CAMEL, no kemuelincidence), I'm repeating this because the first mythical term at the mouse tower was poplar-like Popiel. He was defeated by Piast the Wheelwright, father of Siemowit, father in-turn of a Lestko, sounding like a myth term to describe some Leslie liners.
Not to be taken for whole truth necessarily, the writer of a webpage below (chapter ten of a book), assumed by me to be Nicholas de Vere, said:
The red and gold tinctures and metals on the field [in the Arms of Vere] of their heraldic escutcheon, {traditionally symbolising the plumage of the Phoenix} superimposed by the White Star -- literally the falling star of Lucifer -- are the Arms of the Vere and reflect their ancient line of descent from Sathaniel or the Devil. The escutcheon, supported by two dynastic, hermetic Dragons becomes, historically, the Ancient Alchemical Seal of the House [Nicholas always stretches things to the max because he was obsessed with being great, or wanting to be great. It's called, pride]. The Phoenix of the Scythians was the Raven. The Raven itself, or rather the double-headed Raven found in Transylvania, devolved down to the Hittites and from them it was eventually adopted and modified as the double-headed black Eagle of the Holy Roman Empire).It's not unimaginable for Vere to make things up as he deliberately disguises things. He would create a second and false meaning for whatever he seeks to cover up. I've come to discover that virtually all of heraldry's symbols are merely from surnames. The "Vere star" is small in comparison to the same one, used large by Annas' (large symbols may indicate original owners). So, yes, de Vere was correct, that star comes from the devil. But it did not originate in the devil. The heraldic star could be, simply, code for the eye-using Star surname. But if not, then some other part of the Star bloodline, possibly from Ishtar, whom had an eight-pointed star anciently. Heraldry might then use five-pointed stars as code for Quint liners, and six-pointed stars as code for Septon liners. The Septon variation of Septons may explain the near-absence of seven-pointed stars (Bude's use one, otherwise I don't know any other surname).
Only a demented soul would take Nicholas at his word when he shows the royal lineage of a fantasy race of peoples dated more than 20,000 years ago, as you can see at the page below. Who did Nicholas think he was to believe that he could provide this garbage in print, and then be received as someone talented? Was he not aware of his own insanity? Who made him insane? His human father? Or the devil?
http://drakenberg.weebly.com/vere-descent.htmlIn his descent to the Vere family, he has 4500 BC marked as "The Great Flood." Here he perhaps thinks that he can dupe Christians too. Before long, the lineage comes to "King Nahor of Ur," followed by the Biblical Terah, father of Nahor and Abraham. Prior to that, he has "the Dragon CEDE" as Abraham's ancestry. Why did he choose to mesh the Bible with his dragon lore? Whom was he trying to fool? Did he think that all the churches would become empty, filling his churches instead? Why does he use "cede" instead of "seed"? The Fairburns use a "cede" motto term. There is a Steer surname using a "cede" motto term, and there is a Cedes/Seat/Seed surname too, using pale bars, known code for Pale's/Palys using a CAMEL. Nahorincidence? See comments on Steers in the last update for linkage to Caiaphas-suspect Kaplans.
After going through David of Israel (his son, Solomon, is called "Lord of the Rings") and Amenhotep of Egypt, the lunatic gets to king Arthur and Pendragon, but the Arthurian characters clearly did not exist. He never the less makes king Arthur the son of Aeden Gabrain and "Princess Ygraine d'Avalon del Acques," followed by "From GWYR Llew Ygraine had Princess Morgana the Fairy." What kind of a nut would promote such things as this? But if I'm correct to say that God is concerned about these things because they pertain to end-time persecution of Christians, might there be some Drakenberg factions who, upon denouncing and rejecting de Vere (perhaps murdering him), are more sensible and therefore more dangerous? These people have the task of creating a palatable form of satanism that the masses will go for. If de Vere was a pilot project, he failed miserably. The world is not ready for his make-believe approach to the dark religion.
The Bible doesn't say that the anti-Christ will form a satanic religion that the world will gather around. It says that he will war against Christians, and implies that this hatred can be the glue that bonds the peoples to him.
The Spirit of God in you should be moving your spirit and mind to thinking upon the things / words of Jesus. If that's not happening, beware that other spirits exist that can fill your soul with their own concepts, lies and "values." If you have a busy life by day, monitor your soul when sitting still or going to sleep. What does it think about? What moves within, the Spirit of God? If not, ask Him with all seriousness and alarm for His Spirit. You can call out to him, and He will hear it. How he answers I cannot tell you, but He will hear it when anyone calls out to Him with an appropriate heart / attitude.
At his Amenhotep line, the writer has him as husband of "princess Tara." I didn't know this in the last update, when emphasizing, and tracing Vere''s to, the Taro river. I didn't know about this website until this update. One Amenhotep was a son of SOBEKhotep, and Polish Sobeks use the buckle too. Amenhotep IV happens to have been the father of Akhenaten, husband of NEFERtiti, the Yuya-Mitanni and king-Tut line that I trace to mythical AEDON, like the name of the father that Nicholas has as king Arthur's father (the Arthur write-up traces to Aedon Gabrain but doesn't make him the father). Amenhotep I was a son of Ahmose-NEFERtari, the line, one can assume, to Nevers, beside Autun. Again, the Daytons, said to be from Autun, share the lion of Dreux's, in Drake-wyvern colors. But notice how Nicholas (or whoever wrote the tenth chapter) skips over Akhenaten, mentioning only Amenhotep. Perhaps he thought that it would be too obvious to readers, concerning his Mitanni line, if he added Akhenaten squarely to his Vere genealogy.
There are a lot of MOSE terms in the kings around Amenhotep I, whose dynasty took over the Hyksos empire. Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting that Moses descended from any of the Mose-named kings, but that he was named (by pharaoh's daughter) after the same sacred entity that named the kings. It is a notable that Hyksos kings were not called by Mose terms, yet I am sticking to my view that the Exodus pharaoh was a Hyksos, namely, king Khyan, and I'm tracing a peoples called by his name to the Ceno tributary of the Taro, as I started to do in the last update. That's why queen Tara seems important here. As the Taddei / Tosini liners at or around the Ceno are expected a tut liners, let's also mention the successor to Amenhotep I, THUTmose. And there was Amenhotep's father, AhMOSE. I get the impression that the Amenhotep line had married a daughter of a Hyksos of a Mus household. A daughter of Thutmose I named her daughter by the Nefer entity, suspect, to some degree, with Nephele = the neo-Nephilim / pseudo-Nephilim cult.
Thutmose II, father of Amenhotep III, father in-turn of Nefertirri, husband of Tiye, and great-great-grandfather of the popular king Tut. If we trace these Tut liners to lake Tatta, it can link squarely to Amyntes, father of ARTEMidoros, suspect with the line to king Arthur = the Arduinici. The Artem surname, first found in the same place (Tut-suspect Tweed river) as Arthurs, shows properly as "Aiton," virtually "Autun / Aeden." Artems/Aitons use the Bath/Atha Coat in colors reversed, and Baths/Atha's were first found in the same place as Leavells, and a host of other important-to-my story surnames. I am therefore concluding, amongst other things, that Nicholas de Vere knew a link between the Aedui peoples of Autun and Aedon Gabrain's Irish line to the mythical king Arthur, the same as saying that an Arduinici line in cahoots with Autun liners got to Ireland and the Tweed river (Berwickshire) together. The first surname in Ireland to which I had ever traced king Arthur was that of the Maghens/Mathuna's/Manns, and they happen to use, something that I didn't realize at first, three passant lions in the colors of the passant lion of Datons/D'Autuns. Gabrain is said to have come from the Hebrides, location of Eustace-suspect Uist. Heraldry is capable of unveiling and confirming the realities behind the Arthurian riddles because the riddle makers had based their riddles merely on surnames.
The Uist topic, new last update, brings me to the Swedish Gust surname using a tall, curved chevron in the colors of the same of Pucks. While other tall and curved chevrons are filled solid, neither the Puck nor the Gust chevrons are. The Gusts haven't been much of a topic for a few years, but I had a feeling that they would work closely to the dragon hunt. Others using a curved chevron include the Amyntes-related OPENheims, suspect for good reason as a line of PENdragons, and now, suddenly, traceable to the Penn god that Wikipedia traces to the naming of Monte Penna at the source of the Ceno. By the time that I found this Penna location, I had mentioned the source of the Ceno at least twice in relation to its nearness to Ceno-like Genoa, but even then I had not yet gotten to the part where Nicholas disclosed the Mhaoir surname of clan Vere's chief, which is listed of the Irish Weirs and traceable therefore to Grimaldi's of Genoa. This my story is making too much sense, suddenly, not to be correct and true in most of its parts.
Another surname with a curved chevron are the Kaips, suspect with the Chaips variation of Scottish Chappes', first found in the same place as Visconti-suspect Guiscards/Wisharts. For new readers, the first Visconti of Milan, Ottone Visconti, is expected to trace to curved-chevron Ottone's using a version of the Puck Coat.
Upon realizing that the Tarr surname could be in the mythical scimiTAR, I told a story of a miraculous event at age 12, and while this miracle was not on par with the opening of the sea for Moses, it was a sign to me and my readers. At age 12, it was my first hockey season. I learned to skate at that time, and was made the assistant captain (a wow for little me). Our team was not going to win the championship that year, for if we were good enough, I wouldn't have been the assistant captain, someone better would have. But then S. Tarr was traded to our team late in the year, and he got goals in every game, usually multiple goals.
Laurence Kepke, a childhood friend of mine, had become a goalie for one team, and I scored a goal against him as we eliminated his team. We got to the semi-finals, and, late in the third period, with the score tied at 2 each, S. Tarr and I got a two-on-one rush. He shot instead of passing to me; the puck hit the goalie, bounced over his elbow, and came to a stop smack on the goal line. It was not yet a goal, and with the goalie sprawled on the ice way out of his net, there came me eyeing the puck in the clear open in the process of stopping on the line. I was so taken by this (with the score tied late) that my knees gave out. Sliding in toward the puck, I gave it a poke with the tip of the stick, which hit the puck dead on with the bottom corner of the stick's blade. If I had missed the puck with the first jolt, it would have not been a goal, for I was coming in too fast for a second try, and I slid hard into the boards behind the net. The bench cleared with everyone piled on top of me in celebration. We went on to win the championship. While this was all very exciting for a 12-year-old in his first year of organized hockey, I realized a couple of years ago that it was one of the many vivid things in my past that would become part of filling the pieces in my dragon hunt. It was roughly a couple of years ago when it dawned on me to link the Puck surname to the Tarrs due to that event. I don't recall how Tarrs could relate to Pucks, but, in the last update, I discovered the Taro, and found much in heraldry tracing to its Ceno tributary, where Hyksos of the Khyan kind were traced without any thought of Pucks tracing there. It was only late in the update when Pucks entered the discussion as per a Drakenberg theme.
Wholly aside from this Puck-Tarr merger that I could only imagine in guesswork a couple of years ago, I had earlier found a webpage telling that pharaoh APACHnas (like "PUCK") was the same as Khyan, and so I began tracing Pach-like surnames to the Khyan Hyksos, especially as German Bachs once showed a gold calf (Exodus idol). The Pagans seemed like excellent candidates for a term from "APACHNas," and I suggested a trace of Pagans to the PICENI before discovering the Peucini in the Ukraine. When I was on the Puck surname, at the time of mentioning the Tarr-hockey event, I traced Pucks to the Peucini (can't recall the evidence for that trace). At about that time, I came across a Puke location in the middle of the Cavii homeland (south of the Drilon river). As the events in my life that pertain to my dragon hunt come with multiple items that relate to surnames, note that Sticks (traced to the Sithech ancestry of Sheaves-related Shaws and Chiava's expected with the Cavetts/Chavo's) share the gold garbs of Dade's/Datt's (Taddei suspects).
And the dream that I was given last week, shared at the top of the last update, had Laurence Kepke (as a man) in it, whom I traced to the HEPburns that use a "Keep" motto term, and this line was traced to the namers of Kiev...in the Ukraine, from where Kepke's father descended. I need to ask, therefore, since Pucks share a curved chevron with Kaips/Kaiffs, where the latter were Keep / Kepke liners. It then begs the question on whether Chappes of a Kaips / Chaif kind were the namers of Kiev. Chappes/Chaips use "SHEAVES of wheat." So, yes, I think that Kiev was named by a Caiaphas bloodline, and that last week's dream pertains to this historical fact.
Cheevers/Cheves' ("est ma FOY" motto phrase) were first found in the same place as Chives', and use the upright goat, a Walser symbol. But goats are a symbol of Baphomet. Cheevers/Cheves' are said to have been companions of the Conqueror, which king I am tentatively tracing to Tute's/Tuits and Italian Todini's. Irish Foys/FEYS (one branch first found in the same place as French Chappes') share what I perceive as the crescent of CHAPmans (Cavan and FERMANagh), first found in the same place as Capone's, Julians, and June's. Foys/Fays are sharing the eel with the Oxford Skiptons suspect with the Ferrens' of Skipton castle. The Ferrens' were in the last update, identified with FIRENZE, where Taddei's were first found, and the Ferrens' can link to Fire's/Furs whose upright unicorn, in the colors of the upright Cheevers goat, is a goat on the bottom half. That's important where Cheevers use a "foy" motto term. The Tute's use the same crescent as Chapmans.
Recall the GWYR character (Arthurian) that I capitalized above, for Guire's were likewise first found in Fermanagh. Guire's use the same Coat as Cafferys/Caffertys, in Coffer colors. Might Coffer liners have been close to "Cheever."
Recalling that Nicholas de Vere traced his Drakenberg witchcraft to a Thomas of Blackwood, but residing in Edinburgh, what about the Fermans/Formans (Edinburgh), suspect in the FERMANagh location of Foys/Feys? As we saw that the Joseph martlet should trace to the Varenne ravens, by what coincidence do Vere-liner Fermans/Formans (green dragon) use the Joseph martlet in colors reversed? WAVY bars, shared by Fermans/Formans, were traced to Weavers and Webers (wavy bars), traceable to Kiev liners because Keeps use the "weaver's shuttle." That makes Weavers suspect as a Caiaphas line too. It strikes me here that Fermans/Formans (Fair/Phares anchor), likely sharing the Anchor Shield, may also be using a version of a Black Coat. Ceno-suspect Cheneys use martlets in the colors of the Ferman/Forman martlets. Spanish Fare's/Farra's (Aragon, same place as Capra's) use two wavy bars in colors reversed from the Ferman/Forman bars. <>P> A Capra-like surname (goat, explains the Cheever goat) was first found near Anchor-related Agrigento, location of the Drago river. Someone might say that Chappes liners were named after "capra," the word for goat, but I would say that Caiaphas liners developed into Capra-like surnames, and for that reason came to use the goat. Italian Capra's were first found in Piedmont, where I traced the Fire/Fur unicorn-goat (to the Demonte's and Demonte-Stura river of Cuneo). Another question is: why were goats called by a cap-like term?
It's the Italian Cabrera's (goat in Massin-lion colors) that were first found in Aragona (Sicily), like the Aragon location of the Capra's. Note how this place smacks of Arran (beside Bute): "Aragona (Sicilian: Arauna or Raona) is a commune in the province of Agrigento in the Italian island of Sicily. It is 16 kilometres (10 mi) northeast of Agrigento." That puts is roughly or upon the Drago. Might Scotland's Arran apply? "The coat of arm of the Aragona municipality consists of a golden rampant lion in a azure field, with a ribbon cutting horizontally across the shield containing four red spheres. The shield is surmounted by a silver crown and standing between an olive branch to the dexter side and an oak branch to the sinister side; the branches are in turn bound together by a blue ribbon. This symbol is derived from the coat of arms of the Naselli family..." The Aragona lion is therefore in colors reversed from the Massin lion, and then Agrigento is not far from the Messina area of Sicily. It is feasible that Cabrera's were of the Sicilian Guiscards, and therefore linkable to Scottish Chappes/Chaips' (same place as Guiscards/Wisharts), and to Massino-Visconti in Piedmont.
Let's also add that Scottish Chappes/Chaips were first found in Stura-like Stirlingshire, and that Stirlings/STURlings (more buckles) share the Moor head of French Chappes', as well as using the Weber bend (the reasoning for this link includes Pepins, Stubbs and Stubbings).
In the entry for Amenhotep and Tara, the Drakenberg lineage has "Prince Nashon," and so the Nash's were loaded to fond them using greyhounds, in the positions of the Penes/Penny greyhounds, and around a chevron in the colors of the Pendragon chevron, all indicating that Nashon was a Taro- / Ceno-river element. To put it another way, the Penestae on the Drilon trace to the god Penn, at Monte Penna, and this entity got linked to the Tara-Nashon line that named the Taro. The Nash greyhounds, including the "courant" one in the Crest, are white, the color of the Tatton-Crest greyhound. I don't think that's coincidental. The genealogy has Nashon married to a Sihar, smacking of Sauers that traced with Dare's (last update) to Serravilla Ceno.
As a Google search for " nashon sihar " doesn't bring up anything historical, they could be invented codes for surnames. A quick search for Amenhotep's Tara wife shows that her name, too, may be mere code. As the Drakenberg website has Tara's name alternatively as "Thehara," we can find this make-believe person at another occult webpage, where Moses is laughably regarded as Akhenaten himself: "The marriage of Kiya-tasherit and Rama was a joining of two lines of royal descent from Eve of Elda, Lady of Life. This implied that all the descendants from their son, Aminadab and Rama's daughter, Thehara (Tara) have ancestors in both Seth's and Cain's line, and thus include all of the patriarchs of Judaism, as well as ancient Egypt (including portions of the 18th dynasty: Moses, Miriam, Amenhotep I-III, Tuthmosis I-IV, Ahmose, and even possibly, Queen Hatshepsut)." There are lunatics in God's world who learn and teach by their free-flung imaginations. Using imagination is good, if the tool is disciplined to stay on, or close to, a true track. The historical Mitanni liner, queen Tiye, suspect with the Annas-related Tease'/Tige's, is on the page too: "Just as Tiye, Kiya-tasherit's paternal grandmother (Moses' mother), brought together the royal lines between the descendants of Jacob...". Go ahead and check out the lunacy of the writer, or better yet, don't.
http://www.halexandria.org/dward923.htmIn other words, it looks like Tara is a fictional character invented to denote the namers of the Taro. To this it can be added that, while I traced Hyksos to Etruscans, they had real Tarchon / Tarquini elements from mythical Tarchon of the Lydians, the people that I trace Yuya too (father of Tiye). The Nash's can be suspect with the Ness'/Nests that I identified as Mitanni liners at mythical Nestor of Pylos. But "Nash / Ness" is also like "Annas." However, as seems reasonable, Nash's can be Ash's on account of the Nash Coat: "A black shield with three green sprigs of ash on a chevron between three greyhounds statant." The statant code can be deemed for the Statielli Ligures, emphasized in the last update. In fact, while seeking to identify them by surnames, I was led to the Stant and Stetton/Stathams surname, like "Statant." The Nash chevron is colors reversed from the two Ash chevrons, and this should link Ash's (same place as Chives' / Cheevers/Cheves') to Pendragon liners. It just so happens that German Stetton/Stetner use a goat in Cabrera-goat colors! Stants, suspect with the Arthur motto, are the ones with the double-fesse bars of Parmers/Palmers...from Parma, at the mouth of the Taro, right?
http://www.free-coat-of-arms.com/Stettons even share the red greyhound with Penes'/Pennys, using the Parmer/Palmer greyhound, quite apparent now. Like the Tosni's, the Ceno has been the Templar missing link. The Parms/Palms are likely using the fleur-de-lys of Lys'/Lisse's (from Lissus at the Cavii theater, but first found in the same place as French Chappes), who themselves share the courant greyhounds of Parmers and Penes'/Pennys. It is all-too obvious that Cavii / Penestae / Arnissa liners were at the Parma-Taro-Ceno theater.
There is also a Stetten (with an 'e') surname, first found in the same place (Nuremberg) as Caiaphas-related Kopple's. I failed to mention the Stettens in the last update, and here I find that they use larks, important because Larks/Lauerks, not a common topic of mine, were traced to Ceno elements in the last update. Here is the Stetten description: "A red shield with a lark PERCHed on a log, all proper." Larks/Lauerks are honored by the Bark larks, and there was a good argument proposed for tracing Barks to Hannibal, son of Barca, who had invaded the Ceno theater. As I trace Carthaginians to modern Has at the north end of the Drilon, that's very near Kopple-related Koplik, origin of Caiaphas, right? Yes, and Annas/ANANus, his father-in-law, was traced to Ananes Gauls expected on the Trebbia river, the river that HANNibal invaded, and right beside the Ceno. Hannibal may even have been from the Khyan Hyksos. For the record, the Stetten Crest: "A lark with wings expanded," similar to the Sword-Crest description.
Put it this way, that if Tiye liners got to Tease's/Tige's (same place as Annas'), who use the Annas star, then the Yuya-Mitanni line were indeed at the Ceno / Trebbia theater. The importance of Pendragons tracing from the Penestae to Monte Penna (Ceno) is that the Arniss variation of Annas has been traced to Arnissa, on the Genoa-suspect Genusus river with a source smack at the home of the Penestae. See lower left of map if you haven't already:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Roman_provinces_of_Illyricum%2C_Macedonia%2C_Dacia%2C_Moesia%2C_Pannonia_and_Thracia.jpgThe sensationalism of king-Arthur lore lures weak-willed people, but the Drakenbergs seem intent on pulling weak-willed Christians in particular, especially those whom were deeply seated in satanic lifestyles before conversion to Jesus. And Drakenberg of the Vere kind seems to be elevating itself for to create an important aura for itself, for the purpose of luring people. There is no other decent explanation for the "coming out" of Nicholas de Vere, with secrets otherwise kept secret, than a motive to enlarge his cult. And while no one will be permitted into the higher circles unless they pass the Drakenberg test for dragon blood (a convenient way to say "no" to most), yet they invite all to learn the Drakenberg philosophy, and to spread the word concerning this movement.
The same Drakenberg webpage: "(Here follows the Pendragon descent of the House of Vere from King Arthur and the House of the High Elves of Avalon extracted from the Promptuary Archive of the Urquhart House of Cromartie -- issued by [true or faked?] the Middle Temple of the Knights Templars of Saint Anthony in 1652. The Grand Mastership of the Degree of The Knights Templar of Scotland within the Imperial and Royal Dragon Court is presently held heritably by Prince Nicholas de Vere.)" Oh, well, Drakenberg formed its very own Knights Templar group, and then boasts that Nicholas the Nothing presides as prince over it? Prince of what? Nothing. Less than nothing. Prince of an edge of a cliff that you will be pushed over if you join him.
What we are looking for, in the genealogy, as it continues from Pendragon, is the reason for some of the names used. For example, the line comes to an Endymion, the name of the Carian sleeper, and Round-Table Rounds, using the Pendragon chevron, we may assume, use a sleeping lion. Endymion is listed immediately after "Lord CARolo," smacking of Carian element, and feasibly intended to bring the Carolingians to bear. If correct, the Vere group traced Charles Martel and/or Pepin of Landen to the Endymion Carians. There may be truth to that, even though Drakenberg doesn't lay it out in a truthful way. Melusine of Avalon is suspect with Miletus, near Endymion's Latmus location.
Soon after Endymion, he has Lord Olipher, likely code for Oliphards/Oilphants ("Tute" motto term) that trace to Arbuthnotts, whose "Laus Deo" motto phrase is shared by Manders, from the Maeander river flowing past Miletus. After Lord Olipher, there is Lord Quintin, and this can only be the Caiaphas line from Quintus Caepio, same as the Puck entity of the Vere's. Lord Quintin has a WINNifred for a wife, suspect with the WINchester entity of Saer de QUINCy. The Oxford Vere's married Quincy. After Winnifred, there is Lord GoodWYN, and Goodwyns ("VirTUTE") use a fesse in Quint-chevron colors. These are preliminary thoughts of mine, without having any previous familiarity with this genealogy. Not long after Goodwyn, the Comyn surname enters, and is followed by "The Dragon Cede Lord Richard Comyn." Comyns remain in the genealogy for a while yet, until they marry Mar, the known ancestry of the Bruce kings of Scotland. Soon, the line arrives to "Lady Euphemia Hamilton (descent from the High Elves of Ireland, Princess Melusine and the Scots Kings) [married] Lord James Weir of Vere, Baron Blackwood d. 1599".
It wasn't many updates ago when the Hamiltons of Lothian (Haddington) were my personal discovery, and they linked to the St. Clairs of Haddington. Probably, the Vere-Hamiltons were involved in that. It is notable that Hamiltons are the first surname mentioned with the Drakenberg Vere's. The Vere star is in the colors of the Hamilton cinquefoil. In the entry immediately before Euphemia Hamilton: "Lady Mary Boyd James 1st Lord Hamilton great grandson of Princess Aenor de Chatellerault and Guillaume X le Toulousain Duc de Guyenne, Comte de Poitiers." As William Gellone was count of Toulouse, it stands to some expectation that William X Toulousain was descended from Gellone.
Then comes "Lord Thomas Weir of Vere, Baron Kirkton [married] Lady Jane Somerville, The Witch of the Dragon House of the Earls Somerville." Therefore, this writer has revealed that Somerville's were Vere-Drakenberg kin, explaining why Blackwoods share the Somerville stars, expected to be the same of French Alans / Gore's / Julians. And if you think the "Fear God" motto phrase of Somerville's was a holy thing, think again, for Fears are said to be Vere's. The green Somerville dragon links probably to the Ferman/Forman / Worm dragon, which I see as a form of the green dragon of the Haddington-area Seatons. The Somerville-Crest description can also be in honor of Fire's/Furs: "A green dragon spouting fire, on a wheel." Wheels share the moline with Fears, and the blue boar with Vere's. That's how heraldry was played, all code for related surnames, usually. From that game, there sprung story-telling with surnames codes, but these things belonged to grown bodies with the minds of children / imps within, and that's why they came to love elves and fairies, because they never grew up. If they can't rule the world, then their enemies must die, the thinking pattern of the immature.
The next entry, "Major Thomas Weir of Vere of Edinburgh, The Witch King of Mid-Lothian [married] Margaret Bourdon." Ahh, the Bird/Burd / Taddei / Bouillon bloodline, I gather. Birds/Burds trace to the Hypsas = Drago river along with Hipps. Bourdens, using axes, are likely a branch of Burtons, the latter said to be from Drago de Bewere. The Bourden axes are thus able to link Drake's to Drago de Bewere. Note how "BOUR(den)" is like "BEWARe/BUER." See the Burley/Bourly/Berly boar heads (Summer/Sommer colors), on a green Shield, the color of the Bower / Bauer Shield (and the Oxford beaver), as the Vere boar can link to this Bavarian thing. Burleys were first found in SOMERset, location of the Axe river to which Vere-related axes trace. Borders were first found in Somerset. The Arms of Bavaria include the Franconian Rake, while Somerville-suspect Somers (half-green Shield) were first found in Franconia. Thank you, Nicholas, for revealing Vere background in Somerville elements, and so the gold-on-blue stars of Somerville's, in the colors of the EU stars, are likely those of the Bavarian Bauers.
The Border swords are in the colors of the same of Dempseys and ribbon-using Dempsters, and for the reason that Birds/Burds trace with Hipps' to the Drago, the Dempsey ribbon can link to the ribbon seen earlier in the Arms of Aragona (on or beside the Drago river).
Nicholas claims that his line was from Carolingians, and here in the genealogy we find it going through king Pepin "the Short," son of Charles Martel, and father of Charlemagne. This Pepin was very active militarily, and spoiled the Merovingian hold on France. The timing was not many generations before William of Gellone (Narbonne theater) and Guerin of Provence. "[Pepin the short] finally secured the city of Narbonne...He moved again, following the conquest of Narbonne, north and west to occupy Toulouse, Rouergue, and the Albigeois, putting both Septimania and Southeastern Aquitaine into Carolingian hands before 760." Gellone would come to be the count of Toulouse. The article adds what Wikipedia agrees with: "Pepin ruled in Neustria, Burgundy, and Provence..."
Back to the first article: "[Pepin] sent an army into Berry and Auvergne which ravaged a large part of Aquitaine...He replied to the Aquitainian attack on Burgundy with an expedition into Auvergne which captured the key fortresses of Bourbon and Clermont..." There may have been much to do with the Frankish parts of proto-Templarism in these victories. I'll come to Clermont later, as it pertains to the Drakenberg genealogy. As the Templars were supported by the Vatican, note this curious statement in the same article: "[Pepin] by a solemn act of the supreme pontiff (Stephen III) established upon the throne until then nominally occupied by the house of Merowig (Merovingians) on 28 July 754 in St. Denis on the Seine, Neustria. The pope then laid upon the Christian Franks a precept, under the gravest spiritual penalties, never 'to choose their kings from any other family'." It's a strange thing for a supposed Christian body to swear allegiance to a "family" regardless of not knowing who the future family members would be, whether good or evil. It sounds as though the pope was interested in bloodline issues. This was the unholy alliance between Franks and pope that was the case also under Merovingians, and Pepin was himself descended from Merovingians.
http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/f/l/e/Debbie-Fletcher-DE/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0203.htmlWikipedia says that "Pepin le bref" was mistranslated as "the short" when it should be rendered correctly as "the younger." Regardless, compare "bref" with "Brabant" and note the shortened fesse of the Brabants. Aside from that fesse, Brabants are showing nothing but roses in Coat and Crest. French Brabants use a Moor head, and are traced, not to Brabant in Flanders, but to Brabant in Maine. As Josephs were first found in Maine, note that they use two different kinds of black birds, the color of the birds in the Arms of Laon. Pepin's wife was from rulers of Laon, near Ile-de-France, where Moor-head Chappes were first found. We then need to ask what Laon was named after, for the shortened Brabant fesse is called, "HUMette," while the Hume lion is colors reversed from the identical Lyon / Lannoy lion. The Braborne location (Kent) of English Brabants may indicate a branch of Brays/Brai's, and so Brabants may trace to Bra of Montferrat, beside the Alba location suspect with the swan of Italian Alba's (fesse in the colors of the Brabont bend).
Recalling the trace of Luisa of Ceva to Oise at Ile-de-France, here I find the Arms of Laon using the Shield-and-Chief color combination of Saluzzo's, and then Laon is on an Aisne river that meets the Osie. Luisa was mother of Alice of Saluzzo. We might want to know what the Aisne surname uses Herod-suspect hearts, and nothing but. Hume's were first found in the same place as Aitons, smacking of "Aisne." Aitons may be from Autun elements, such as Datons/D'Autuns, and the latter share the red passant lion with Aisons (Angus)...and Angus'. The lion is in the colors of the Guerin-Chief lion, and so while the Draguignan location of Provence is suspect in this picture, it may speak to Drago of Champagne, for Asners use a bend in the colors of the same in the Arms of Aisne, and it's the Arms-of-Champagne bend. The additional bendy is in the Arms of Aisne is in the colors of the same of Guerra's.
Asners use the blue wings belonging to Bavarian-liner Here's / Hertzogs strongly suspect from the Aures tribe of Shawia to which I traced the ancestry of Guerin of Provence / William Gellone. I traced Guerin / William to Idris of Morocco, whose wife was from the Aures tribe. Idris ruled in Fez (Morocco) while Fez' (Auvergne) use a bend in the colors of the same of French Brabants/BRAIbants. Drago of Champagne was descended from Arnulf of Metz, Drogo's brother was Grimould II (son of Pepin of Herstal), and then the Drakenberg Vere's became suspect from the Bavarian, Grimould. Drago de Bewere traced to Bavarians, right? Yes, and the blue wings of Asners were once in the Bauer Coat until replaced by blue wings of another design. Grimould the elder was a son of Pepin (of Landen) and Itta of Metz. A son of Arnulf of Metz married a daughter of Pepin of Landen. There was another Drago, son of Carloman, son of Martel. There has got to be much Templar bedrock in this picture.
The black hunting horns of French Brabants may be those of Bernician-suspect Burns' / Bernice's, and then Brabant-suspect Hume's were first found in Berwickshire. I still suspect the Bernice's from Berenice Agrippa, a Herod liner just like Herod Archelaus at the root of Lyons / Lannoys (probably use the Hume lion). And then Pepin the short, the one suspect with the shortened fesse of the Kent Brabants, was a half brother to Grifo, suspect along with griffins with "Agrippa." As the Massena Numidians were traced to Massins/Masons, first found in Kent's THANET, traceable to the ZANATA/ZENETES area of the Shawia Numidians, there is a good argument from tracing Kanza/Kenza, wife of Idris, to Kents, and to Kent, where Louvains and Brabants were likewise first found. "Grifo (726-753) was the son of the Frankish major domo Charles Martel and his second wife Swanahild...On his escape in 747, his maternal great-uncle Duke Odilo of Bavaria provided support and assistance to Grifo, but when Odilo died a year later and Grifo attempted to seize the duchy of Bavaria for himself..."
This SWANahild could be related to Schwangau castle at Fussen, but in any case, she was related to Grimoald if Bavaria: "SwanaCHILD (also Swanahild or Serenahilt) was the second wife of Charles Martel, who brought her back from his first campaign in Bavaria in 725, along with her uncle Grimoald's wife, Biltrude." That's Grimould of Bavaria. The Swan Knight, LohenGRIN, is coming to mind because "grin" was suspect as code for Grimaldi's. Moreover, Lohengrin was traced to Ligurians based on his swan symbol, and Fussen is on a Ligurian-suspect Lech river. French Brabants were first found in the same place as swan-using Josephs, and the martlet of the same Josephs is obvious code for Charles-Martels liners. The Arms of Laon are black martlets, without beaks and without feet, and the Laon-Chief fleur are in the colors of the garbs of the English-Joseph Chief.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SwanachildIt's interesting that the Italian translation for the Arms of Laon use "capo" for the heraldic Chief," which tends to reinforce my view of "Chief" as code for "Caiaphas." The eye of the martlet in the Arms of Laon is simplistic, just a round circle (identical to an annulet) in the colors of the giant Burgos annulet. With the annulet suspect in-part with Letts, by what coincidence are Pepins also Pipe's while there are "organ pipes" in the Lett Crest? As Grimaldi liners became suspect as a Grey-Mallet / Gris-Mallet combination, it's notable that Mallets may have been named as per linkage to Martels. Gris'/Griims use a giant star half in the colors of the same of Lett-suspect Annas'. The Brittany Gris' look linkable to the Monaco Coat.
http://www.free-coat-of-arms.com/Two Laon surnames are listed with Lane's, which may or may not apply to Laon so far as I can tell at first glance. The Martels once showed the red covered crown in the Crest of English Laons/Lane's, expected from the Adige-river theater where Pepin-related Este's operated. It's interesting that while Scottish Laons/MacLane's share fish with Carrick-suspect Saraca's, there is a white (on red) fish alone in the Shield above Arnulf's head in the artwork in honor of Arnulf of Metz. Carricks share a "Garde" motto term with English Laons/Lane's, and then Bernice's were pegged as using the blue-on-gold fesse of Saraca's (see Wikipedia's Saraka article). Saraca's were out of fish-depicted Kotor, and as Bar-le-Duc, in Lorraine along with Metz, use white fish in both colors of the Saraca fish, I traced Bars (Este kin) to Bar, near Kotor.
Arnulf's Wikipedia page says that his symbol was a rake, which must be code for the Franconian Rake. Rake-suspect Rich's/Richess' use the motto, "Garde la foy," while Laons/Lane's use "Garde le roy." Rich's/Richess were first found in the same place as Drake's, and share the wyvern with them. This must have been the line to Richeza of Lorraine.
German Alba's were first found in Alsace, at the Franconia theater. From the 2nd update of last month: "It's interesting that German Alba's were first found in ALSace, which very-recently became suspect with "Alis," for the Alis share a sword with a fir tree with Alpins/Cappins, said to be from the kings of Scottish Alba." Alis' were traced tentatively to the namers of Alessandria, on the Tanaro along with Bra and Alba. The Arms of Alessandria use the griffin (suspect with the griffin of Messina's Ali's), and neighboring Tortona became suspect with the heraldic torteaux, the red roundel that one can see in the border area of the artwork for Arnulf. The Metz surname itself uses nine roundels as likely code for the nine Muse's of Greece that named the Mosel / Meuse area in which Bar-le-Duc and Metz are located, and, what's more, the rake has got to be code for the namers of Richeza of Lorraine. The Alba's of Alsace share the fleur-de-lys in the colors of the same of Muse-descended Masseys, while Masci's, who share fleur in the colors of the same in the Arms of Laon, were first found roughly in the Tanaro theater. The Lorraine's are using the Piast eagle, in the colors of the fish in the artwork for Arnulf. Italian Lano's, suspect with Laons/Lane's, use a giant besant.
Metz's can easily be a branch of Italian Mattis' or Chives-related Mathis', the latter first found in Burgundy, where "Gerberge of Franconia, of the Burgundians, Duchess of Alsace" (died 646) was involved in the time of Arnulf of Metz (died 640). Gerberge was daughter to Garritrude deHamage, and Hamage's are curiously listed with Thomas'/Coma's/Colms (hearts). The Coat looks linkable to a couple of quarters of French Laons/MacLane's. The Thomas/Hamage Crest: "A demi cat-a-mountain regardant holding a snake." It thus shares the cat-a-mountain with Chives', and is therefore linkable to Metz-suspect Mathis', and moreover traceable to Luisa of Ceva. That can then trace DeHamage's to Thomas of Saluzzo, Luisa's husband. Garritrude was wife to RICHemeres of Orleans / Burgundy; they were married in Franconia, wherefore the Franconian rake should be code for Richemere's bloodline. Welsh Thomas' are using a Coat (ravens) in the colors and format of the Rake Coat (griffins).
On Gerberge's mother: "Gertrudis (Garritrude) de Franconie formerly De Hamage aka de Moselle, Franconie, Hamage, Moselle." So, the question is whether the line of Thomas of Saluzzo named Hamage in Moselle, not far from Metz.
Back to Pepin "the short," which the Vere-Drakenberg page views as duke of Brabant when he was duke of Lower Lorraine, which place would be ruled thereafter by the family of Godfrey de Bouillon. The name listed immediately after Pepin the short, in the Vere genealogy, is "Princess Bertha," wife of Milo de Vere of Anjou. I think we'll need to assume that this Bertha was Bertha, daughter of Pepin the short and Bertrada of Laon. The genealogy at that link gives Milon de Angleria as a possible husband for Bertha, and so if you wish to contemplate or work with this Milon, same as Milo, son of Melusine, see what this website has for his ancestry here:
http://fabpedigree.com/s036/f041615.htmThe fabpedigree page above suggests parents of Melusine in the Brude / Bride surnames, and it's very interesting that one Bride/Breeddie Coat (Angus) uses black footless martlets (but called "black BIRDs") in the colors of the same in the Arms of Laon, and moreover this Bride Coat is in the colors and format of the Thoms/Thomes Coat (ravens). The canton in this Bride Coat looks linkable to Tute's. One should be wondering whether this was a line from Bardi on the Ceno. Scottish Thoms' are the ones listing "Hamage."
As French Bride's, using the same Shield, essentially, as Brights/Brite's/Brude's, were first found in Savoy, Briancon/Brigantium thus becomes suspect. The Brights use a black griffin in Crest while Bride's use a black eagle in Crest. It looks like a match. It recalls that Tute's were expected in the Bardi theater, especially as Bardi's were first found in the same place (Florence) as Taddei's, who use the flory cross of Bardi-like BIRDS in colors reversed, and moreover, the Taddei cross is in the colors of the cross in the Tute-suspect canton of Bride's. It suddenly appears that Bardi liners were in the Brights and Bride's too, and may be traced to Brigantium. Bardi's use a sinister bend in the colors of the bend of French Brabants. This is a good place to repeat that French Bardys/Bardo's/Bardons (Perigord) are using the scallops of Taddei-like Dade's/Datts, for these scallops are used also by Chamberlains, traced to the Chambre location of Savoy. Reminder: Bardon- and Burd-like Burtons/Birtons are said to be of Drago de Bewere.
So, basically, the Melusine-related Vere's are saying that they trace from Bertha, and then the genealogy page above thinks that Berths was from a Brude / Bride bloodline, which, as we have just seen, traces well to the Ceno river, where Vere's of the Pendragon / Drakenberg kind had traced before coming to Bertha. It could appear that the naming of Bertha was itself related to the Bardi bloodline. It may even be that king Baldwin of Jerusalem, brother of Godfrey de Bouillon, i.e. suspect as a Bird/Burd / Taddei liner, was from Bardi ancestry as per the possibility that "Bald(win)" was a Bard term at one time. There is a Bertha/Berthelot/Bertold/Berlot surname, first found at Forez (Burgundy / Dauphine), and using besants in the colors and format of Bride's (and Payens and Guerins). Bertha of Turin, to be mentioned late in the update, are suspect here.
The fabpedigree website (which makes no bones about tracing to myth-code characters) may perhaps have some little-known fact that allows them to give "Bruithina (MacBRUDE) of STRATHCLYDE" as the mother of Melusine. For her father, Bruithina is given "Bridei III (King) of PICTS," descended from the Bebba-and-Aethelfrith Angles on his mother's side, and from Strathclyde on his father's side. These Picts require a repeat, "Scottish Thoms' are the ones listing 'Hamage,'" for they were first found in Perthshire, where "tute"using Rollo's were first found, in the land of the Pilate-related Picts i.e. who trace to the area of Forez, where Bertha's were first found. It now appears that Melusine was a Pilate liner, probably related to the Anchor-related namers of Firminy (Fermans/Formans).
The problem with online genealogies, in this regard, is that they can add Vere families that may not have existed, but that are as per the claims of the Drakenberg people. The unreal family / individual may have existed, but under another name (an historical one) that the Drakenbergs are not willing to reveal. Milo is in that fabpedigree webpage as Milon de Aungiers/Augleria/Angleria/Anglesis, and so the Nagle-suspect Angiers'/Angers (same place as Vere's) should be noted. It seems to be making a fundamental Melusine link to Nagle's / Nails / Neils. The Angiers/Angers look to be using the Anchor Coat but with the Shield-and-Chief color combination of Saluzzo's. It tends to clinch a trace of Angers to Agrigento, and may even suggest that "Agr" modified to "Anger." Remember, Drake's are from Agrigento while Saxons of the Anglo-Saxon kind shared the wyvern with Drake's, suggesting rather well that Anglo-Saxons together were from Sicily's Gorgons. As Wikipedia says that Agrigento was founded by Sicilians from Gela, that's where some Gallus liners may be from.
After Milo II de Vere, count of Guisnes and Anjou, it's not long before the Drakenberg genealogy comes to "Prince Guy (Gallus) de Vere, Count of Guisnes," and his wife "Lady Gertrude de Clermont de Ponthieu." She is on a webpage with the same husband, and she's a daughter of Adeline de Boulogne, but she has no birth date given, no death date, nor place of birth. Whether or not the husband is a real person, or a Drakenberg invention, I don't yet know, but on her page, he's also called the earl of Genny. The Genny/Jenny surname is said to be "from Guisnes near Calais," and that's therefore near Boulogne. The English Genny/Jenny Coat is a copy of the Belgian Gone/Goene/Kohn Coat, but throws in "A Hawk, standing on a falconer's glove," reminiscent of the falconers' gloves of the Sions/Swans that once showed as GAUNTlet gloves, tending to verify that Guisnes elements were of Ghent/Gaunt of Belgium (near Boulogne). But as we just saw Adeline of Boulogne, the Priory of Sion, said to be ruled / founded by Godfrey de Bouillon of Bologne, should apply here. We are dead-center on the Sionist Templars with this discussion.
If the Drakenberg Vere's are polluting the Internet with unreal people made to look real by the naive, it speaks for itself, which will only give the Vere's a bad name, the very opposite of what they desire by advancing their history in false terms. There are no articles on Gertrude of Clermont that prove her to have been a real person, yet this discussion recalls the key symbol in the Arms of Comines, a location near Boulogne, for the Clermonts use the key too. Plus, the Clermonts were traced recently to the Chives'. Whatever the reality behind Gertrude and Guy de Vere, this is a serious reason for linking Clare's / Sinclairs, suspect with Rozala of Ivrea, to Calais elements, for while Arduinici of Ivrea were traced to Artois, that too is in Pas-de-Calais. And the Arduinici were at Nagle-suspect Oneglia. Therefore, some real thing in Clermont was apparently merged with Artois / Boulogne / Calais. Ivrea is on the BAUTica/BALTea river, and Gertrude's son with Guy de Vere was BAUDouin of Guines, whom the Drakenberg page calls, "Prince BALDwin de Vere, descent to Ida de Vere, the House of Hamilton and the Royal Vere of Blackwood." There is a Guy surname, first found in Savoy, possibly using the Sinclair rooster.
Ponthieu is in Picardy. The Arms of the Counts of Ponthieu use bends in the colors of the Guerra bends. The last update found bendy in these colors in the Arms of Varano de' Melegari, a location along the Ceno valley. "Varano" is much a Guerra- / Guerin-like term. The first two counts of Ponthieu were also counts of Montreuil, and the second one had the name, Herluin, the same name as Herluin de Conteville, ruler of Comyn, likely the Comines above. In the Wikipedia list of Ponthieu counts, I do not see the Drakenberg-reported husband of Gertrude of Clermont, Ernicule I. This Ernicule is expected around the year, 1,000, and then the Wikipedia list has one "Enguerrand I, also Count of Montreuil (c. 1000 - c. 1045)" whose name is like "Guerra / Varano." Montreuil was, I have read, a location pertaining to Payne de Roet, father of Catherine Roet, wife of John of GAUNT. These elements look Vere-related, but for some reason(s), Drakenberg wants to couch this part of Vere history in fake names...possibly to disguise their trace to Italians.
Enguerrand is followed by "Hugh II, also Lord of Abbeville (c. 1045-1052) Father (by one account) of both Enguerrand II and Guy I." The latter is in the list as "Guy I, (1053-1100) brother of Enguerrand II. Succeeded in Ponthieu by his daughter (and only surviving child): Agnes" And so the questionable Guy de Vere may pertain to these counts. Agnes gets one to Alan elements, expected of the Drakenberg Vere's, for Agnes was married to "Robert of Belleme, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury and Count of Alencon." Agnes' grandchild was Guy II, count of Ponthieu. A son (John I) of Guy II was "married to Beatrice of Anjou, first cousin of Henry II of England, Count of Anjou." This is very Margaret-suspicious, for Henry II descended from queen Margaret, daughter of a mysterious Agnes. This recalls that Roets became suspect with Rodez, home of Henrys that traced well to the royal Henrys of England, as well as to the Brittany Alans.
The Drakenberg page puts "Gallus" in as the alternative name of Guy de Vere, and then the German Gallus surname shares bendy in half the colors of the Guerra bendy. The same Gallus Coat uses a black-on-gold rooster, PERFECT, because the Kopple's use one in those colors while tracing to Goplo, location of the mouse tower from which mythical Mieszko ancestry originates. And it was one "Gallus AnonyMOUS" who wrote the mouse-tower mythology. He is now suspect with the Drakenberg Vere's because Drake's share a red-on-white wyvern with the dukes of Masovia, who were from the mouse-tower Mieszko's. Italian Gallus' are said to be first found in Tuscany.
As the Kopple rooster is highly suspect with the Joseph birds (same colors) because Kopple's are highly suspect with the Caepio surname, it's now conspicuous that a son of John I was: "William IV Talvas (1179 - October 4, 1221) was William III, Count of Ponthieu and William IV (of the house of Belleme/Montgomery)." Compare "Talvas" to "Tarves," the latter the location of Caiaphas-suspect Chives'. The Montgomerys share the Coat of Bourbons while we read earlier that Pepin the "short" conquered Bourbon and Clermont together. The Montgomery motto, "Gardez bien," is familiar, shared almost by Carricks, and traces no doubt to Cape- and Caplan-related Gardners. As Carricks / Craigs and Anchors together trace to Acragas/Agrigento, here's the Montgomery Crest: "A woman in blue holding an anchor in one hand and a savage's head in the other."
"Talvas was married on August 20, 1195 to Alys, Countess of the Vexin, the daughter of King Louis VII of France. " Talvas married Alys, a Capetian. While Alys was a daughter of a king Louis, I'm not going to seek any links to Luisa of Ceva and Alice of Saluzzo at this time. The possibility is there, however. The Guines surname was first found in Bourbonais, and can trace back to Raoul C of Guines, husband of Rozelle of Boulogne.
Let's go back to Gertrude of Ponthieu, alleged daughter of Adeline of Boulogne, born in Holland. The latter is given two husbands, Ernicule and Enguerrand. The latter (son of a Hugh) is dated too late to be the Enguerrand II (son of a Hugh) above, and may therefore be Enguerrand I. Adeline is given Eustace as a son, the father of Eustace II, father of Godfrey de Bouillon. I fully expect this Eustace family to have links to Taddei's, first found in the same place as Italian Gallus'. It is easy to check for the historacity of Adeline by going to Wikipedia's article on Eustace I (symbol shown as torteaux), whose mother is given as Adelina of Holland. Wikipedia gives her two husbands, Baldwin II, Count of Boulogne, and Enguerrand I of Ponthieu. I now have reason to view these characters as true ones.
Compare "Enguerrand" to "Inger," for Adeline's mother was Lutgardis of Luxembourg (died in Flanders), which can trace to Lusignan. home of mythical Melusine, suspect with the Rangabe wife of Inger the Varangian. Lutgardis' father was Siegfried of Holland, whose father is given as Wigeric of Lotheringia (Lorraine). I wonder whether this Siegfried was from Sigefredo of the Parma area; he was a topic late in the last update, the grandfather of Tedaldus of Tuscany, husband of Willa, suspect as a close relation of Willa of Tuscany, mother of Rozala of Ivrea, wife of ARNULF of Flanders. Amazingly, Adeline (Holland/Boulogne) is listed with a daughter, Rozelle! It is now even easier to trace Rozala to Boulogne Templarism.
"Medieval historians have been unable to precisely pin down Wigeric's origins or rise to power. He possessed lands in the region of Bitburg, in the middle Moselle valley, in the Gutland, the western Eifel, and the Meuse region" That sounds like he should be linked to Richeza of Lotheringia, wife of Mieszko II Lambert, for that couple lived just two generations after Wigeric. Plus, the Meuse / Moselle area is expected to be linked to the Mieszko mouse tower, where the first mythical ruler, Popiel, traces to Pepins that married Metz at Moselle i.e. was linked to ARNULF of Metz.
Wikipedia says virtually nothing on Adelina, and gives her only one child (Eustace), meaning that the Wikipedia writer either rejected Rozelle as her daughter, or, along with others, wanted to cover it up. But as Adelina's husband was Baldwin II (count of Boulogne), by what coincidence did I trace the Baldwin name to the Baltea river though Ivrea, realm of Rozala, long before knowing of Rozala (starts in the 2nd update of last month)? The latter's son was even a Baldwin of Flanders. I think we have something here, and it may explain the Arthurian look of Siegfried of Holland at his Wikipedia painting. Is it a coincidence that Sieg-like Seagars use the same moline as MacArthurs?
SiegFRIED had a son, Siegfried, and another son, FREDerick, suggesting that these two names are related at their roots. But then Blackwoods are Blakewoods too while Blake's use a FRET. Soon after the discovery of Tedaldus at roughly the same time as the discovery of Rozala, I entered a discussion on a Tuttle/Tuthill (and porphyria) trace to his name, and this was before finding a possible link of Blackwoods to the Tuttle crescent and to the Dere/Res Chief.
Siegfried of Holland had a daughter, Lutgart, who married an Arnulf of Holland, son of Dirk II, who evokes the purple-arm Darks, the latter said to be from Dieppe, on the southern side of Picardy. The Arques castle of Darks can suggest that the surname was of the Archibure variation of Arthurs (Ade colors). There is a Dirk/Durke surname, in Dark colors, using footless martlets in both colors of the same in the Arms of Laon. Joseph Caiaphas is suspect here too, at the Dirks/Durke's, and it just so happens that Arnulf of Holland was the father of Adelina of Boulogne! We are right square with the family to which Drakenberg traces itself. It had Guy de Vere as husband to a daughter (Gertrude de Clermont de Ponthieu) of Adeline of Boulogne, but Wikipedia's Adeline article has no such daughter. Perhaps the Drakenbergs are trying to disguise Rozelle with Gertrude.
So, as Adeline descends from Siegfried of Holland, the founder of the Luxembourg rulers, this family is to be kept in mind as a chief proto-Crusader entity. At his article, Siegfried is called the count of Ardennes. I am not keen on the "forest" definition of "Ardennes" that we are to believe, but, rather, the term is like "Arduin." And Ardennes is at the eastern side of Aisne (location of Laon), itself between Ardennes and PicARDY and Artois. And then there is the Aisne-suspect Aitons/Artems, first found in the same place as Arthurs. The Ardennes forest covers some of Walloon, some of Luxembourg, and some of the Ardennes departement of France. The following should explain why the Arms of Ardennes uses rakes in its Chief: "...the Ardennes mountain range and the Moselle and Meuse River basins." I say the Ardennes Chief is from the line of Richeza of Lorraine.
What I didn't know until now, is that the two-bendlet feature in the Arms of Champagne, shared in the Arms of Ardennes, is called "potent." Here is the description for the Arms of Ardennes: "Azure [blue], a bend argent potent counter potent of Or [gold] with an inescutcheon argent charged with a boar in sable [black]; in chief of gules [red] charged with 3 rakes of Or 2 and 1." The eSCUTcheon of this Arms is in honor of the Schutz bloodline that includes Skits, Skeets' and Scheds, all three of which use the potent cross. But the escutCHEON is also code for white-escutcheon Keens/KEANs using a version of the KEON Coat, and this bloodline in now being traced to something on the Ceno river. The Schutz's have been resolved partly from the Salto river, and then Sullivans, suspect from the Salluvi / Salyes Ligures, use the black boar.
The Salto river passes through Avezzano while the Avezzano's use one bend exactly that of the two-bendlet feature of Champagne / Ardennes. Aside from the Avezzano's, I don't know of any surname using anything remotely like the potent bendlets of Ardennes. A potent cross is said to be a crutch, and one can see the tops of crutches in both the potent feature of Ardennes and in the same of Avezzano's. Therefore, the potent bloodline through the kings of Jerusalem had linked to Avezzano's, a thing I did not know until now (the Templar flag of Jerusalem used a potent cross). As the Schutz's (saltire) were linked fundamentally to the Saltire's (Arundel / Rundel suspects), it should explain why the Avezzano bend comes with a rose-on-stem rising in a sinister direction as to form a saltire with the potent bend.
[After this update was released, I looked up the Bure's as per the ArchiBURE variation of Irish Arthurs. First, while English Arthur's were first found in the same place as Ade's, Bure's/Bowers use an "Ad" motto term. The second Bure surname (French) to be loaded, I kid you not, showed the potent feature in a chevron! I kid thee not. This is a rare heraldic feature. The description: "A blue shield with a chevron potenty counter potenty voided silver between three gold CUPS." The trace of the Avezzano rose has gone tentatively to Rozala of Ivrea, home of the proto-Arthur Arduinici, right? The Bute potent pattern is in the illegal (gold-on-silver) colors of the Templar flag of Jerusalem. In the design at the link above, the flag uses a so-called "crusader cross," but in other depictions, it's a potent cross. The CUPS/Cope's happen to use the red rose too.].
The Salyes were on the Durance river that named the English Durants (compare with Sale's), and then French Durants (Dauphine) show the ship design of Gunns that list "Guines." As Rozelle (married Guines) is suspect with the naming of Rozala/Susanna, the latter suspect with Susa, it's notable the latter location is on a river that has a source directly over the Cottian Alps from the source of the Durance, at Briancon, and then Brians ("UachTAR" motto term) share a "Lamh" motto term with Sullivans. The Riparia river flowing through Susa goes to Durance-like Turin, traceable to the Durance-like Turano that flows beside the Salto, which is what makes "Chivasso," to the near-north of Turin, suspect with "Avezzano." Thus, the Avezzano rose becomes suspect with Rozala and/or Rozelle. For what it may be worth, Italian Durants look linkable to Danish Fris', who share a white fleur-de-lys in Crest with English Durants.
Moreover, the Dutch Schilds, linkable in a way to the "shield" definition of Schutz's, likewise use bendlets, and nothing else. The Schild bendlets are colors reversed to those of Ince's and Inch's, suspect with Innis' / Innes', all having become suspect with the INEScutcheon" variation of "escutcheon." It just so happens that the Arms of Ardennes uses the "INEScutcheon" version. Innes' share the fish with Keens/Keans and Keons, and moreover show a black boar head! This is an important paragraph. Something(s) on the Salto river played a large part in Templar Jerusalem. Innes' (I usually call them Innus') are said to have had kingdom at / near the mouth of the Clyde river, the one that named Strathcylde's, and so let's repeat Bruithina (MacBRUDE) of Strathclyde, of a family suspect with Bardi upon the Ceno river. The boar-using Bartons and Bards traced (last update) to Bardi. While speaking on the Bartons, it was asked: "Why do Rankins use a RanKENE variation?" Rankins use white-on-red boar heads in colors reversed to the same of Bartons. White-on-red boar heads are shared by Judds/Juggs (suspect from Jugon near Brittany's Meu river) and Meu-suspect Mea's/Meighs.
Juggs/Judds (red wyvern / cockatrice) are said to be from "Jurd/Jordan," and while I don't think I accept this trace as stated, I do accept a merger between Judds/Juggs and Jordans, very-possibly the Gore's/Jore's, kin, I now think, of boar-head Gords (Alan kin). Gore's share gold crusader crosslets with English Jordans. Juggs/Judds use the raGULY feature on their fesse which became suspect (two updates ago) with the Mele's/Meleguli's, first found in Parma, where the Ceno waters flow. The double fesses of English Parmers/Palmers are in the colors of the double bends of Innes', and the Italian Palmers use a fesse in the colors of the Jugg/Judd fesse. As Stewarts use ragully too, the point of this paragraph is elevated, because Jordans are also Shurdane's/Shurtons, like the name of a Sea Peoples (Sherdana) thought by most to have been Sardinians. Avezzano's were first found in Sardinia. There happens to be a French Jordan surname, first found in the same place (Brittany) as Alans, with a fesse in colors reversed from the Jugg/Judd fesse, and sharing the red rose with Avezzano's. The Jugg/Judd fesse is even in the red color of the Alan fesse.
Jugon is on my atlas about a dozen miles west of Dinan, and Dinan is itself about a dozen miles southwest of Dol. Dinan looks responsible for the Denon/Danon variations of the Brittany Jordans. The Dinan/Diamond surname, in Jugg/Judd colors, tends to assure that its "TouJOURs" motto term is code for Gore's/Jore's. The DyMOTT variation of Dinans must be for the Motts, first found in the part of Brittany where Dinan and Jugon are located. Dinans were first found in the same place (Devon) as ragully-using Stewarts, and where Jordans are traced in their write-up. Dinan is on a Rance river with a mouth at St. Malo, making the latter suspect with Meleguli's. Moreover, "Rance" smacks of "Rangabe." As Rance's/Rands show a white boar head in Crest, it tends to prove that Juggs/Judds were from Jugon. The red lion of Rance's can be suspect with the half-red lion of Meleguli's. I don't recall knowing until now that the Rands are also Rance's tracing well to the Rance river.
As the Alan-related Henrys are said to be from parts of the Meu river, I'd like to ask why the first son of Siegfried of Ardennes was named, Henry. He ass named after the Henry in his mother's family, she being Hedwig of Norgau. No one suggested as her parents, at her Wikipedia article, is named, Henry. But a daughter of Hedwig married Henry II, the Roman emperor, though this was after the birth of her son, Henry. Perhaps he was named in honor of Henry Speyer, Hedwig's brother-in-law (her sister married Henry Speyer). Henry Speyer was of the imperial German Salians (suspect from Salian Franks and the Salto-river bloodline), and from Worms, origin also of Capetians. The Salians were wrapped up in Hohen / Cohen liners suspect from Melissena Rangabe's. There is a Speyer surname listed with Rangabe-suspect Speers, whom I traced to Lusignan, long before I knew of Siegfried of Luxembourg. Moreover, I traced the Arms of Lusignan to the Arms of Luxembourg years ago, and here I am finding that Siegfried can link to Speers if Henry Speyer is of them. The Rangabe-suspect Glass' are traced (by me) to Glasgow, where Speyers/Speers were roughly first found. Rangabe's got suspect with Rankins.
HEDwig is now suspect with a Hede location, on my atlas 15-20 miles southeast of Dinan. The Belgian Hede/Hedelin surname happens to be in Rangabe colors, and shares white-on-blue crescents with Blackwoods/Blakewoods. Blake's share a giant fret with Mele's, suspect with Mele's/Meleguli's, and the fret is possibly for the SiegFRIED bloodline. Malahule was a patriarch of the Tute's sharing the Hede crescents. The Motts, said to be from the area of the Rance river, share a white crescent with Hede's. The Heidlers/Heidle's (suspect with Hiedlers/Hitlers) are not only in Hede/Hedelin colors, but share an upright white-on-red lion with Montforts, while there is a Montfort location on the Meu river. Half the Mele/Meleguli lion is in these lion colors. The nephew of Adolf Hitler changed his Hitler surname to Stuart-Houston, and Houstons, obvious kin of Stewarts, were first found in Glasgow. But the Stewart / Houston checks are traceable to Rangabe-suspect Cohens. The Meleguli lion is counterchanged (in Hohen colors), a feature I now trace to Flanders, where Hohens were traced too.
Earlier, we saw the Arms of Laon with beakless black martlets. The same Coat exactly (three martlets without beaks and in the same colors) are showing at the Brittany-Arms page below, for the entry on Peillac, a location in the Morbihan / Vannes area of Brittany, perhaps the most-direct reason for the Stewart pelican. While at the page, see the Arms of Montfort-sur-Meu, a red-on-white moline cross but where all four ends are given double viper heads. The official description calls the heads, "guivre," from the Latin word for "viper." This guivre code may be for the Lanarkshire Giverns/Biggars, and to this it can be added that Giffords, whom I think honor the Meleguli bloodline in their motto, are using ermine, a known symbol of the Vannes area of Brittany.
http://www.tribwatch.com/photos/coatBrittanyArms.htmIf the pictures don't appear in the page above, the Arms of Montfort-sur-Meu may also be seen here:
http://emblemes.free.fr/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2417:armoiries-de-montfort-sur-meu&catid=21543:montfort-sur-meu&Itemid=232As you can see, the vipers are also described with a "grinGOLEE term," suspect with Meleguli liners. But what's that GRINgolee term also for? LohenGRIN the Swan Knight??? At the first page, we read; "The use of the term gringole is not uncommon in French heraldry; the [Montfort] cross has viper's heads appearing from the ends. The technical term in English may be one of the following: guivre, from Latin guivris, viper, givers or gringole. The blazon above uses two of the terms." German and Dutch Givens list a Givern variation while using SWANs, such a coincidence, suspect, in this case, with Swanachild, wife of Charles Martel, the latter likely honored by the beakless martlets. Perhaps the Gole's/Cole's/Auls (look like Kyle's and Colts/Cults) are in view with "gringole."
In the Drakenberg genealogy, a few generations before Ralph de Vere of Blackwood, whom is dated 1165, there is a Katarine, daughter of an Arnulf of Flanders. Seeking whom this family might be, I came to the page below having a tree with "Rozela (Susanna) von Ivrea" and her husband, Arnulf of Flanders, real people. They are given the son, Arnold of Flanders, and he's given a daughter, "Katherine of Flanders." Her husband is given as Alphonso de Vere, jibing exactly with the Drakenberg genealogy where it has "Prince Alphonse de Vere, Count of Guisnes", as Katarine's husband. I kid you not, I've not known this Katarine entry until now, and have therefore not known that the Vere's made themselves linkable directly to Rozala until now. Whoever it is that made Katarine the granddaughter of Rozala, we should like to know why. Was it merely assumed that the true Arnulf of Flanders was the one in the Drakenberg genealogy, or did the person know something?? Or, perhaps, there was only one Arnulf of Flanders to chose from, making it easy.
https://www.genealogieonline.nl/karens-family-tree/I141430.phpIf you scroll through the family lineage of Arnulf II of Flanders (husband of Rozala) from the page below, you will find multiple Baldwins of Flanders, likewise counts of Flanders, but not another Arnulf. You will also find that Baldwin IV, Arnulf's son with Rozala, married Luxembourg, a thing I either didn't know until now, or that I had forgotten when treating Siegfried of Luxembourg. Reminder: Siegfried's daughter married an Arnulf of Holland. I've scrolled through the genealogy, finding no other Arnulf of Flanders up until William the Conqueror, who was married by Maud of Flanders, daughter of Baldwin V of Flanders (Rozala's grandson). We have just seen why William the Conqueror traces to Rozala so that his name can be from "Willa," Rozala's mother.
http://famouskin.com/family-group.php?name=6143+katherine+neville&ahnum=35236It turns out that the Luxembourg wife of Baldwin IV was a granddaughter of Siegfried. Thus, Rozala's direct family married Siegfried's family. We see no Vere's in the historical version of these peoples, yet Drakenberg Vere's are insisting that they were of these elements. They claim that Alphonse de Vere married a granddaughter of Rozala (let's not forget that the Conqueror married a granddaughter of Rozala, and that Vere's were Massey liners at some point, both from Manche, where Alphonse is said to have been born). Was Alphonse a real person? At a genealogy page below, he's given details (died December 1076 in Vermandois, Aisne) that make him look real, and his father (Manasses de Vere, count of Guines) is in brackets as a "fictitious person," suggesting that Alphonse was real because his name is not said to be fictitious. The Drakenbergs have Manasses as count of Guisnes, suggesting that Guisnes and Guines were the same entity.
http://www.geni.com/people/Alphonsus-de-Vere/6000000003219686925
My Spelling Mistake
This would be a good place to mention that the write-up of French Guines' traces to Robert, count of Clermont, marrying Beatrice of Burgundy-Bourbon. As Scottish Guines' are listed with Gunns who lived in the far north, land also of MacKAYS, the Clermont KEY symbol may just be in honor of Kays/Keys. There is a Gunny/Guinie/Quinney surname just found accidentally by misspelling "Guisnes" as "Gunies." Recalling that Gunns traced with Durants to the Salyes, so here we find the Gunnys using a version of the Sale/Sallett bend, except that the bend is in the colors of the Varn / Shakespeare bend. Instead of the Sale fleur, it uses trefoils reminiscent of the Shaw trefoils, and Shaws were Numidians, as were Mackays.
The Masseys/Macie's even share the pegasus with Quinns, suggesting that Quinns were Gunn liners. It may mean that French Guisnes' are in the colors of the Burgundy Messeys/Messier's for a reason. French Masseys/Masse's are sharing the Quinn Chief, apparently, making both surnames suspect with Tute's. It just so happens that Quinns (white boar head, Mea/Meigh colors) are using the snake design of Shells/Schells (Westphalia), which recalls that Schutz's traced to Salyes and were, in the meantime, suspect with Dutch Schilds. The latter, feasibly a branch of Shells/Schells, use bendlets in colors reversed from the Kay/Key bendlets, and the Shells/Schells use the same fleur-de-lys as Masseys/Macie's. The colors of the Quinn snake are those of the Visconti snake, and there was a Massino-Visconti area (same place as Turin et-al) to which this picture can trace.
It just so happens that Gunnys/Quinneys, using a ScimiTAR in Crest, are traced to "Kenny," a term that got suspect with the Ceno river, tributary of the scimitar-suspect Taro! With the Taro's mouth at Parma, explain why the Italian Palmers use a fesse in the colors of the Shell/Schell fesse. Moreover, I've only just realized, the Gunny trefoils are in the colors of the same of English Palmers/Parmers! This is excellent corroboration for a trace of Ken-like surnames to the Ceno, and Parmers to Parma. Palmers/Parmers use a "virTUTI" motto term.
The Italian Palmers trace to a Tancredi character at a Palma location at Naples, and as such they were linked to the Tancred > Guiscard line suspect with "VISconti." This is no reason to doubt a trace of Palmers to Parma, but, rather, one should trace to both. As I've traced the Visconti snake to Angitia of the Marsi, so the Marsi are expected on the Salto and Turano rivers. I still trace Marsi to Mercians, and the flag of Mercia was also the saltire of Messeys/Messier's. We might want to know why Mercier's (same crescents as Coffers/Cofferys) were first found in Artois, and why they are in the colors of both Coffer surnames while same-colored Caffer(t)ys/Goffreys/Godfreys share a white-on-green horse in the same position as the winged horse of Quinns. It just so happens that the Coffer/Coffey Crest is used in the Arms of TARANto, and that Motels, said to be from Mottola of Taranto, use another white and winged horse in the position of the Quinn horse. The Motel Chief becomes suspect with the Dere/Res Chief, making Dere / Daro / Dare / Darwin liners possibly Taranto liners to Rozala. In any case, this exercise convinces me that the Taro was founded by the namers of Taranto, but as Taranto is said to be mythically of the Satyrs (see "Satyrion"), what about that goat on the Crest of Rozala-suspect Russells?
The Motel horse has an "armored arm" in its mouth, and can possibly trace to Cotes-d'Armor, previously called, Cotes-du-Nord, where Motts were first found. As Motels are thus suspect with Motts, why not also Modens/Modeys (fretty), for the Motel horse is in the colors of Caen fretty while Caens have traced with little doubt to the Ceno. The Caen fretty is used by Caves' who can easily be a branch of Coffers / Caffers, and for this cause see the Cuffs/Coughs (KilKENNY) using a version of the Sale bend, making Coffs linkable to Gunnys.
It strikes me here that the Gunns may have named the Hume's, with a lion in the colors of the Quinn horse. The Hunn / Hun surnames are coming to mind as possible Gunn liners. It just so happens that while I trace the Hume lion to the same of Lannoys, the other Lannoys share the plumed or feathered helmet with Caffer(t)ys...and True's, honored in the Hume motto term, "True". It's clear to me that Motels were of Herod Archelaus, who had a coin with feathered helmet on one side. This Herod lived in the Lyon theater west of Modane. If one follows the Archelaus-suspect Arc river at Modane to its mouth at the Isere, the Isere then flows down smack to the homeland of Herod Archelaus.
The Isere flows to Valence, and then while the Valence surname is listed with German Falens, the Irish Falens/Fallons share an upright, white-on-red (Ark colors) greyhound with German Huns. It may indicate Gunn liners on the Ark-Isere waterway. Compare English Huns (same chevron as ARCHibure's/Arthurs) to Arks and Derks/Derricks, the latter perhaps a branch of Darks of Arques.
The Motel horse is also in the colors of the giant ostrich of Lois', first found in Artois. This ostrich is suspect with the ostrich feathers of Caens, five white ones shared by the Arms of Traby (Poland), and then the Ceno is smack beside the Trebbia. You can't argue with this trace of Caens to the Ceno, and their linkage to Trebbia-river elements, but it's now tending to trace Taranto hard to the Taro, making Taranto elements suspect also at the Turano, the Durance, and Turin and Thuringia. Cotes-d'-Armor (or Cotes-du-Armour) is beside the Vannes area of Brittany, and TARANto was suspect from Taran/Tarun of lake Van. Vannes is the bedrock of the ermine, but in all that time that I was discussing the scarf of the Traby Sadowski surname, I had forgotten that the ermine of Vannes uses a scarf. This was re-found in the Brittany-Arms page presented earlier in this update. Although this page doesn't allow the Coats to show on my computer when I download it from the Internet, the page does show the Coats when I load it from my files. It may still be online somewhere in a way that you can view the Coats. I can give you the text for the Arms:
AURAY, Morbihan. Canton, arr. Lorient....Gules an ermine passant with a scarf ermine on a HURT three fleurs de lis or,
...Gules an ermine passant with a scarf ermine a chief azure three fleurs de lis or.
...The arms of Vannes, Morbihan, are the same, without the chief.
It's a full ermine rodent (white on red) shown with a white scarf flying high off its body. In one version of the official description, as you can see, the Chief is called a "hurt," suggesting the Arthur-related Hurts, Herod suspects. Hurts are the ones with the Eustace stag in Crest, and a fesse in the colors of the Herod/Harald/Hurl fesse. It's the fiends of Israel, in Jesus' story, all over the first Crusader families. No other theory on Crusader background thing could make more sense.
The Gunny/Quinney description: "A cubit arm in gold, the hand holding a scimitar, imbrued, with gold hilt and pommel." "POMmel" was deciphered tentatively as a Palm - Meleguli combination at the Parma theater. The Palms/Parms are the ones sharing the same Massey-suspect fleur as Shells/Schells. The "imBRUED" term in the description should be for Bardi liners of the Brude/Bright / Bride kind, suspect from Brigantium on the Durance river.
Brude liners can alternatively be a branch of Pratts / Prude's (Gunny colors, share trefoils with them), suspect from the "pratis" motto term in the Arms of Rieti (on the Salto and Turano rivers). The Prude fesse is colors reversed from the same of Herods/Haralds. The fish in the Arms of Rieti are in the colors of the lamprey fish of Prude's/Pride's (Lanarkshire).
Remember, the Gunnys came up in this update because I misspelled "Guines" as "Gunies" (you should see how spastic the type is when realizing that I've fallen on something extremely corroborative; it's what I currently live for). The scimitar-using Gunnys are said to be from "Kenny," and so here's from the very last update, no coincidences:
The Kenny Crest: "A cubit arm in armor hand grasping a roll of parchment." The Aarons use two hands "grasping" from the clouds, and Cubits (same place as Tute's/Tuits=Todini's) use "Two hands issuing from clouds, battling with scimitars."The Kenny Crest (Caffer colors) are greyhounds in the colors of the Quinn horse and Hume lion, and in the white color of the Hunn greyhound. It looks like Gunns were Hunns. The Hume lion is white and upright, the Grey symbol too. The Kenny greyhounds are in the positions of the white greyhounds of Palmers/Parmers (but see also the Lys/Lisse surname with the Palm/Parm fleur). The Kenny Chief-and-Shield are in Coffer / Caffery colors. The Lys river of Aosta (Salassi country) applies here as much as the Lys river of Artois, and I've read that the Lys of Aosta (not far from the Arc river) becomes the waters of the Bautica though Ivrea, suggesting that Levi's and Chappes', first found in the same place as Lys'/Lisse's, were at the Ceno / Taro / Parma theater too, and likely the reason that this discussion is taking place to begin with.
I have it from the word of a grub in my firewood, of one year ago, that Avezzano played a chief role in the line to Joseph Caiaphas, and here I am now finding that Avezzano's share the potent feature with the Arms of Artois- / Arduinici-suspect Ardennes, and with the Arms of Champagne. It needs to be repeated that English ChamPAGNE's use a Shield filled with vair fur in the colors of the Shield filled with lozengy of the potent-suspect Patents. The Pride's/Pride's are said to be from PAGENus de Prideaux. It stands to reason that Hugh de Payens, first Templar grand master, was of this Avezzano line to Champagne, for writers on Templarism trace Hugh to the count of Champagne. I've never yet, in all these years, gone to the counts of Champagne to see what might be gleaned.
The first count, Hugh, dates to pre-Templar times, but after this statement: "In the late seventh and early eighth centuries, Champagne was controlled by the Pippinids; first by Drogo, son of Pippin of Herstal, and then by Drogo's son Arnulf." Wikipedia has no article (yet) on this Arnulf, suggesting that little is known about him. Drogo was duke of Champagne in 690. Drogoi had four sons, the first named Hugh, the second, Arnulf, but also Godfrey and Pepin. It could start to appear that this line led to Godfrey de Bouillon as well as his contemporary, Hugh de Payens. The question is, was Godfrey named after the Godfrey variation of Caffer(t)ys? Was Drogo a Coffer liner from Taranto? Champagne went to Arnulf because Drogo went to the Vatican. The article does not take us into the affairs of Arnulf, and ends silently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drogo_of_ChampagneWikipedia leaves us with a dark age between Drogo and Hugh I of Champagne, a period of about 400 years. Can that really be true, that no one knows what was going on in Champagne, as far as the names of rulers, for that long? Hugh I was the count about two years after Godfrey de Bouillon's army won Jerusalem, but for all we know, Hugh de Payens was involved more closely with Hugh's predecessor in Champagne. As Drakenberg is suspect with Draguignan, near the Durance river of Provence, note that the Guerins use the Payen Coat. It looks like Hugh de Payens was connected to Guerin of Provence. And the Mullets/Molets using a version of the Payen / Guerin Coat too were first found in the same place (Auvergne) as Bouillons (and Prude's/Prats).
The Creuse area beside Auvergne was traced to mythical Creusa at Agrigento. It's notable that "Molet" is a consonant-reversal from "Motel" while the Mullet/Molet hunting horn is in Motel-horse colors. As Gunnys traced to Motel liners, it's also notable that Gunnys share the ShakeSPEARe bend while Shacks/Shake's use MOLE hills. Moreover, the Payen/Pagan mullets are called SPUR rowels, while Spurrs are possibly Speyer/Spear liners. Shake liners have been resolved, sufficiently enough in my mind, with the Szkeley Hungarians, whom I traced for good reason to the Sicils, founders of Sicily, and possibly at Agrigento = the Drago river. Drogincidence?
The Sicils were at mythical Scylla, depicted as a wolf, and therefore linkable to Apollo/Abello, whom is also suspect at the naming of Abellinum/Avellino, in Champagne-suspect Campania. One can then trace that to Hugh of Champagne. As Scylla was in the Messina part of Sicily, note that Shells use the Massey fleur, thus making Shells traceable to eastern Sicilians. It's where I'd trace the Scayles'/Schole's that share the Patent Coat. The Arms of Sicily use three human legs, the Hose symbol too (though not in the same design), and then the Hugh surname is also "Huse." The Hugh motto can link to the motto of Kilpatricks, the latter from the Apsus-river location of Antipatria, and then the Drago was also the Hypsas. The Kilpatricks (share black lion with Hugh's) had a castle at CLOSEburn while Close's use the SPUR. It is easy to trace the Sheera variation of Kilpatricks to Carricks of Agrigento by comparing Carricks to Shere's.
The Kilpatrick Chief is also the Chief of the Arms of Champagne and the Arms of Auray (Vannes). We saw the scarf in the Arms of Auray, and that recalls that Scarfs (wolf) are suspect with the Scherf variation of Shere-related Schere's. Plus, Kilpatricks were even traced to Trabys (especially by use of the Patch hunting horns) while Trabys/Sadowski's use a scarf. With a trace of Auray to Sicily, I'm inclined to identify it with the Aures tribe of Numidians. While one Brian Crest shares a black hunting horn with black stripes with the Arms of Traby, another Brian surname shares a "laidir" motto term with Kilpatricks.
Recall the scimitar and cloud symbols above that linked to Kennys and Gunnys, for the Irish Brians that use an "UachTAR" motto term, the ones that also use "lamh laidir," use a hand "issuing from a cloud" and waving a sword i.e. like a hand waving a scimitar. It just so happens that the other Irish Brians were first found in KilKENNY, yet another reason to trace Kilkenny's namers to the Ceno.
The Kilkennys (spear) were only-now loaded to find them in Coffer / Caffery colors, and, moreover, while Dere's / Daro's /Dare's/Derrys were suspect with the Taro river, and then also with the Taranto location of Coffers, here we find Kilkennys first found in Derry! Kilkennys look very linkable to the Kelly Coat, but see also the Abreu's/Abruzzo's. The Kilkenny Crest shares an arm in armor with Motels of Taranto. Irish Derrys (DAGGER in Crest) are said to be from, or at least to include, "O'DAIGHRE," making them suspect with the ancient Dexaroi, on the Apsus river, and suspect with the Kilpatrick dagger.
Irish Derrys are the ones sharing the same ship as Gunns/Guines! This is no small conclusion, that Taranto elements were also of the Dexaroi, shown as Dassaretae on the map below (lower left), to the near-south of TOMarus, perhaps the origin of Thomond, where the other Irish Brians were first found. The English-Brian hunting horn is also that of the Weights, the latter likely honored in the so-called "weights" of the DEXTER Crest. One can either resolve that Taro-river liners were purely a branch of Dexaroi, or that Dexaroi merged with Taranto elements to form Dar / Darren-like variations for Dexaroi-based surnames. Irish Darrens/Dorans (Saluzzo-suspect Shield) are the ones sharing the counterchanged boar of Sullivans while the latter share a "Lamh" motto term with the Kilkenny Brians.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Roman_provinces_of_Illyricum%2C_Macedonia%2C_Dacia%2C_Moesia%2C_Pannonia_and_Thracia.jpgThe oak trees of Derrys can suggest a trace to Payen-suspect Pane's/Panico's, who share the Chief of Kilpatricks and the Arms of Champagne. Previous to Hugh I of Champagne, the Wikipedia page of the counts of Champagne has a Hugh the Black, duke of Burgundy, and son of a brother of Boso of Burgundy. The latter was not Boso of Burgundy that later married Rozala of Ivrea, but as the latter's mother was Willa, it's notable that the earlier Boso had a daughter, Guillia/Willa of Provence. For what it may be worth in connecting to the fictitious Manasses seen above, the earlier Boso had another daughter who married Manasses I, count of Chalon-sur-Seine, home of the Aedui namers of Autun. Guerin of Provence had also been a count of Chalon. It's interesting that the Welsh Chalons share the cherub with Tacks/Thackerys, perhaps a branch of Shacks/Shake's/Shakerleys, and therefore traceable to Chalon because it was in the area of the Shack-like Sequani! I like that.
And as you can see that the Arms of Chalon are simply annulets, the "chaplets" of the Sequani-like Saxons/Septons are like annulets. The colors of the Saxon chaplets are burgundy. As the Sequani were in Burgundy, I now assume that the chaplets are in burgundy as code for Burgundians. This is the color used for the Willa shown at a webpage below, whose ancestry was probably in a Willa of Burgundy. As I discovered Nibelungs to be Burgundians, note the "NOBILitas" motto term of Thackerys! Bingo, we now understand Tacks/Thackerys and Saxons/Septons, but let's not lose sight of how "cherub" is like "garb," the Thackery symbol too. And while Thackerys were first found in the same place as Capone's (and CRABs), the cherub-using Chalons are using the colors and format of the Capone's, relevant because Quintus Caepio found a vast treasure in Toulouse (where Guerin was duke), while, a year later, a war was likely fought for that treasure when Quintus Caepio lost at Orange, which is downtown Guerin-ville (so to speak), not far from Chalon. The Arms of Chalon, and the French Chalon surname, share a gold-on-red fesse with the Fes', and I did trace Guerin, aside from this evidence, to Idris of Morocco, who established his dynasty in Fes/Fez.
Capone colors and format are used also by Champagne-suspect Camps. As has been pointed out recently, the Williams, suspect not only with the Conqueror, but also with one or more of the Willa's, share gyronny with the Campbells, in Camp colors.
I can now understand why Saxons are also listed as SEPTons, for Guerin was thought to be the brother of Bernard of SEPTimania (both sons of William Gellone of Toulouse). "The lords of Chalons and Arlay were a cadet branch of the ruling house of the county of Burgundy, the Anscarids or House of Ivrea." Rozala was from the Anscarids, and the page shows the Vere quarters as some the Arms of Chalon, and what could be the Warren checks...in the colors of the Nassau billets:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalon-Arlay#Arms
Willa of Provence (new to me this update) was about two generations after Guerin of Provence (died around 850), the latter also holding the title, duke of Burgundy. She is said to have been married to king Rudolph of Burgundy as a certainty. "Everything else in her genealogy is more or less uncertain. She is believed to have been a daughter of king Boso of Lower Burgundy (Provence), and she is presumed to have been the mother of king Rudolf II of Upper Burgundy and Italy." Might she have been Guerin's granddaughter? Interestingly, Rudolphs were first found in the same place (Saxony) as Garins/Gorings, while Guerin of Provence was also "Garin." If she was Boso's daughter, then it should be said that he was the ancestor of Rozala's father (king Berenger II of Italy) who married a Willa himself. If Willa of Provence wasn't Boso's daughter, then she may have been the line to that queen Willa, the latter a daughter of a Willa of Burgundy that Wikipedia has no article for. It all looks very related, and queen Willa, according to Wikipedia, was born in Arles in 911/912, about 60 years after Guerin's death, and so let's point out that Guerin had been the count of Arles.
Wikipedia mentions only two children for Guerin, the son going on to rule Autun. Why Autun? Was Guerin chiefly an Akhenaten-Mitanni liner? Guerin's son had a funny name, Isembard. What's Isem? To what would one link that? Guerin's wife, ALBANE, sounds like she may have been an Albin/Aubin liner. Note how "ALPHONse" is like "ALBON."
Let's return to Prince Alphonse de Vere, Count of Guisnes, and husband of Katarine, daughter of Rozala. Or, to be specific, the Drakenberg page says she's the daughter of Arnulf of Flanders, husband of Rozala. So, we have a direct link between the Drakenberg Vere's and Rozala, a thing I didn't expect, but there it is. Heraldry was telling me that this link existed, and that it was a root of Rosicrucianism, very linkable to the Rose's and Ross' of Ross-shire, partial home of the Hungarians from Andrew I. This was the Scottish link to the Kiev-Hungarian alliance that my dream pegged as the root of the Potent bloodline. Why did God want that Potent bloodline pointed out? For our entertainment? Merely for fulfilling our curiosity? Or does this go to the end-time persecution of Christians and the rebellious world system? Now we're talking.
The next entry after Alphonse is "Prince ALBeric I de Vere, Count of Guisnes [married to] Princess Beatrix of Normandy (descent from Satan via the Fairy Princess Melusine I du Scythes above). A jerk, to be proud of descent from satan, is the writer of that page. The next entry is "Prince ALBeric II de Vere, Sheriff of Cambridge, Lord of Clare and Tonbridge..." I think I know what this is, the Claro/Chiaro surname that shares the bull design of Boso's. It's to say that Drakenberg traces back to the Boso's of Burgundy, to Willa of Provence, etc. There is your satan, likely in Guerin's family. But I don't really care. I'm not happy with this outcome. It is anti-climactic for me. Did I spend years only to arrive at this? What for?
After two more entrys yet, we come to "Prince Ralph de Vere of Blackwood 1165 AD...God of the Witches, Shakespeare's Puck..." And they want to convince us that this Ralph de Vere was actually Robin Hood, exactly what demented lunatics would like to think, that they trace to everyone "important." But I say that Robin Hood was code for two surnames, the Hoods (anchor, a beloved Vere-line symbol) sharing the fret with Blackwood-suspect Blake's, and the Robins (probably the Robertians = Capetians) linkable to Tute's / Toothills. You may have guessed that the Claro line to Clare's of Tonbridge touched upon the Clermont entity, but then Clermonts were kin of Claviere's that show a white-on-red hand, the only symbol of English Pucks. And the French Mountains who married Claviere share the white-on-blue bull with the Boso Coat.
I have found a Vere-of-Oxford family tree, showing what I've not known before, that the earliest Vere's used their quarters in colors reversed, which became the Say Shield, meaning that they were linked to Seaton Flemings. The Shields are shown at the center-right of the page, where Aubrey and Robert, brothers (both counts of Oxford), are shown with Shields in colors reversed from one another, Aubrey using the gold quarter in the first quadrant (quadrants are suspect as code for Quadratilla, wife of Laevillus, and then Leavells are using Vere colors). Their sister, Alice, is shown as wife to Geoffrey de Saye. Robert's son is shown as husband to Havisse de Quincy, a Quintus-Caepio liner (should explain why the Quincy mascles are in Vere colors).
http://gw.geneanet.org/pierfit?lang=en&m=D&p=alphonse&n=de+vere&siblings=on¬es=on&t=T&v=6&image=on&marriage=on&full=on This finding that Says are using the Vere Shield is important where Fleming-loving TRESURE's use the burgundy colors. Both Seatons and Flemings use the double-TRESSURE border, and Flemings have long shown their tressure in burgundy. I used to call it scarlet, but am now convinced that it's burgundy. It's tracing Vere's to Burgundians again. In the Vere page, one can see, on the left side, Rohese de Vere married to the Essex Mandeville's, and while Mandeville's use the Say quarters, so we can find Beatrice de Say birthing three more Mandeville's of Essex. In this picture, the Say quarters were first owned by Vere's, and then adopted by Says when they married the Vere-Mandeville's. Mandeville's were first found in the same place (Wiltshire) as Mortons, beside the Leavells, suggesting that Mortons are using a white version of the Vere quarters. It tends to clinch the quarter-using Mortons with the Moreton-Say location of Shropshire.The Cliffs, said to be from Moreton-Say, are also "Cleave," and as such are expected from the Claviere family (Burgundy) to which Guerin of Provence can trace. But I don't think it's coincidental that Cliffs are using the black-on-white wolf heads of Quadratilla-suspect Quade's. Moreover, QuadraTILLA was traced better-than-expected to the Tillys, and while the latter were first found in Wiltshire too, they are implied kin of Geoffrey of Mandevill (1083)!! Tillys (suspect with a version of the Palin Coat) share the axe and wyvern with Drake's! The Tilly axe is code for Somerset's Axe river, and that's where Leavells are suspect. Now we are coming to the climactic significance of the Vere's, for the family of Quadratilla had ruled Judea on behalf of the dragon-pitted Romans, and had descended from Herod-Maccabees on the one side, and from the Galatians on the other whom had previously been in Toulouse, where Guerin ruled. Tillys were first found in the same place (Dorset) as Rozala-suspect Russells. But she also traced well to Roslin, home of the Claro line to Sinclairs, which, along with Drakenberg's own trace to Clare's of Tonbridge, adds to the evidence that Vere's were fundamental with Rozala's family.
As evidence that Guerin was a Vere, one can spot the many Bigods that descend from the Oxford Vere's on the far right of the page above. Juliana de Vere (12th century), suspect with a line from Julius Caesar, married Hughes Bigod, count of Norfolk, and their son married Surrey, home of Guerin-suspect Warenne's. The French Bigod Coat uses the Shield-and-Chief color combination of the Guerins, and moreover has a chevron-with scallops in the colors of the chevron-with-hexagrams of Guerins. It looks like an undeniable match, and Bigods were first found in Ile-de-France. This opens the possibility that Bigods were a branch of Pagans. Guerins are said to have been grand masters of a Jerusalem Order, tending to clinch their hexagrams with those of Pagans (first found in Burgundy). The date for their Jerusalem Order is 1231, during the last years of William II of Warenne, earl of Surrey, and father of Ada whom has traced to the Ade's honored by the motto of Levi's, first found in Ile-de-France.
Guerins are said to have lived in Guerra-like Gree in Brittany. The French Gris surname (family seat at MOTTE) was first found in Brittany, and has white pentagrams in the colors of the MOTel horse. German Gris' can apply here that share a giant pentagram (star) in colors reversed with Annas', the latter using theirs in the white-on-red colors of the single Vere star. I can glean that all of Freemasonry, and most of Templarite heraldry from its inception, traces to this Guerin family, all connecting to lines from Caiaphas and Annas, the human Masonic symbols, I am sure, of satanic illuminatism. A group of idiots decided to form an anti-Christian organization that became Rosicrucianism, and they put a red rose on their cross as an alternative to Jesus. But Masonry was more than anti-Christian religion or anti-Christian infiltration into churches, for it was also concerned with the Caepio gold, the wealth that was spread far-and-wide from it, and the quest to become superior in world politics, forever if possible. This is the beast on fire.
The Griim variation of Grimaldi-colored Gris' tends to reveal that Grimaldi's were Guerra liners to begin with, if Guerra liners formed the Greys and Gris' together, where "Grim" was a similar product. In that case, Guerra's and Vere's can be from the people group of north Africa that were mythicized as "Graeae." On the other hand, "Vere" is suspect from "Ferrari" and "Pharisee," and to this one can add that the Brittany Gris' share the same lion as Ferrari's. The same lion is used by Monaco's, suspect with Grimaldi's of that place, and then Monks (Trice / Hebron / Child colors for a reason) are using a white wyvern in their Crest that they call a COCKaTRICE, code for Grimaldi-related Cocks, and for Trice's/Triss'/Trists (branch of Tresure's?) using more stars in the colors of the Vere star.
http://www.free-coat-of-arms.com/I trace Trice's ("TREPidum" motto code) along with Hebrons and Keeps to Trypillians (Trypillia, south of Kiev), who had a goddess, and, as such, can be figured in with the Graeae Amazons (female-worshiping peoples). I had tentatively traced their goddess to Nerthus, goddess of the wyVERN-suspect Varni, the likely root of the Varangians, explaining why Varangians ventured from Sweden to Kiev. Trips were first found in the same place as the Gris'/Griims using a star in colors reversed from the Trice/TRYST stars. There is a modern TRUSesti location in northern Moldova, while it's known that Trypillians were in what became Moldova. The Tresure's can be suspect from the namers of Trusesti because Trypillians, according to Wikipedia, would regularly burn their houses down deliberately as some sort of sacred / spiritual rite, and then Tresure's are obviously Flemings, the theory being that Flemings named themselves after the stupids that put FLAMES to their own homes. You can't get more stupid than that, unless you're satan or a viking.
The double "Nec" terms of Trice's are shared by Sandfords, which I see as code for the Neckar river, location of Stuttgart suspect with the Stout vikings. The Sandfords (share falcon with Trice's), who use nothing but quadrants, and were first found in Shropshire, are in the Vere-of-Oxford tree, married to Robert de Vere, 5th count of Oxford. The Sanford quarters are in the colors of the Thomas' and Cluns, both of whom, like the Sanfords, show no symbols. Cluns were likewise first found in Shropshire, and it was recently resolved that Cluns are using the Saluzzo Coat while Thomas', at least some of them, trace to Thomas of Saluzzo. It just so happens that the first-known Mr. Sanford of Shropshire was Thomas de Saundford. Moreover, as Thomas of Saluzzo was father to Alice, by what coincidence did Robert de Vere (5th count) marry Alice de Saunford??? No coincidence; we have just found the Saluzzo > Clun line married to Oxford Vere's, but this line was also from Luisa of Ceva.
The wife of Thomas, count of Saluzzo (died 1185), was Alasia of Montferrat, which can explain why Fers/Ferrats use checks in the colors of Saluzzo's. This Thomas is not the same as the later Thomas I, 4th margrave of Saluzzo, father of Alice of Saluzzo whom married Richard FitzAlan of Arundel (explaining why Saluzzo's are definitely using the Clun Coat). For the record, "Alice of Saluzzo, Countess of Arundel (died 25 September 1292)...was a daughter of Thomas I of Saluzzo, and the wife of Richard Fitzalan, 8th Earl of Arundel...Alesia was...the second eldest daughter of Thomas I, 4th Margrave of Saluzzo, and Luigia [Luisa] di Ceva (died 22 August 1291/1293), daughter of Giorgio, Marquis of Ceva and Menzia d'Este."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_of_Saluzzo,_Countess_of_ArundelThomas the margrave is said to be from the house of Aleramici, which itself uses a symbol-less shield, as do Saluzzo's. "The founder of the family was William I of Montferrat, a Frank, who came to Italy in 888 or 889 to aid his fellow Frank Guy III of Spoleto in a quest for the Iron Crown of Lombardy. His son Aleram was the first to carry the title marchio or margrave." As could be expected from the Fer/Ferrat and Vair/Fers checks, the Montferrats were related to Hohens: "By the 12th century, the Aleramici were one of the most considerable in Piedmont, related to the Capetians and the Hohenstaufen. Members of the family participated frequently in the Crusades, and became kings and queens of Jerusalem. They also married into the Byzantine imperial families of Comnenus, Angelus, and Palaeologus..." The Angelus entity might just have been a Rangabe branch.
The article (new to me, I think) goes on to say: "At the end of the 11th century the [Aleramici] family was split into two main branches: one ruled Montferrat until 1305; the other (Del Vasto) ruled the south of Piedmont and western Liguria." Western Liguria includes Nagle-suspect Oneglia, and Nagle's are said to be "Angulo" too, suggesting that the Byzantine Angelus' were Nagle's! And German Nagle's/Nails are in Saluzzo colors. The Vasto entity can very well be of the Fasts (Norfolk, same place as Lance's) because they use quarters in half the colors of the Sanford quarters. The article goes on to mention the Lancia, suspect with the namers of Langhe at Montferrat, but this evokes the lance of Rangabe-suspect Rankins!
Rankins are the ones with a "recte" motto term like that of Blackwoods. As Rankins were first found in Ayrshire, its notable that the Arms of Ayrshire use a recte-like motto term, which had been suspect with the Reichs/Rike's, perhaps a branch of Rake's ("PraeFERRE"). In fact, the Fast Coat uses a bend with symbols that I've linked to the bend-with-symbols of Lorraine's, kin of rake-suspect Richeza.
There is a genealogy at the Aleramici page, showing Rainier of Montferrat, who "married Gisela of Ivrea (daughter of William I, Count of Burgundy)." Zowie, that looks linkable to Rozala (of Ivrea) and/or the Arduinici. Taking Gisela's ancestry back through the male line, it goes through the House of Ivrea to Berenger II of Ivrea, husband of Rozala. It could be that the Montferrat Williams were named after a line from Willa of Burgundy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_AleramiciRainier's son, William V (married Babenberg) had a daughter married to Guido Guerra III, though it's not shown in the list above. Reichs are using the colors and lion of Guido's. At Wikipedia's article for William V, he's given a daughter, "Agnes, who married Count Guido Guerra III Guidi conte di Modigliana. The marriage was annulled on grounds of childlessness before 1180, when Guido remarried..." I use this marriage to identify Guerin of Provence with Montferrats. The page above doesn't show Agnes, nor another daughter (of William V) who married Malahule-suspect Malaspina.
So, what we have now is a Rozala line to Montferrat and Lance suspects = Rangabe suspects = Melusine suspects. As Melissena Rangabe's Khazar ancestry (she was also a Byzantine) is expected with Cohens and Hohens, and then the Cohen checks are used by Fers/Ferrats, while we just read that the Montferrats were merged with Hohens and Byzantine's. Therefore, the Rankins are to be traced as Rangabe's to the Lancia of Montferrat circles. This makes Rozala suspect from Inger the Varangian, the root, I suppose, of Rosicrucianism. It may even be theorized at this point that Rosicrucians opposed the Vatican because they were Byzantine elements in competition with the Vatican.
As Reichs/Rike's use roses (and perhaps the Guido lion), I wondered whether they may have been an n-less Rang liner, which prompted a look at Rinks/Rings, first found in the same place as Lance's...and Rangabe-suspect Seagars (moline in the colors of the Rangabe flory). The one daughter (Azalais) shown for William V married Manfred, grandfather of Thomas of Saluzzo. This recalls my trace of proto-Alans to the namers of Langhe, and thus the Alans are expected in the Lancia. It can explain why the Lance's use a fesse in colors reversed from the Alan fesse. This Montferrat-Saluzzo line from Azalais even married FiztAlans. The proto-Alans of Langhe and Montferrat had been pegged with lines from the killers of Jesus. I had traced these proto-Alans to potent liners in Bologna before realizing that Guido's, first found in Bologna, were part of the potent liners (= Skits, Scheds and Chads, all Sadducee suspects). Ringers can be Annas liners.
Azalais married Manfred II, grandson of Boniface of Vasto (his name may be of Bononia =Bologna). One of Boniface's sons, William of Busca, probably traces to the Rose-related Bosco's. These Vasto's (new to me) got to the first Jerusalem throne:
Boniface was also the guardian of his brother Manfred's children: Henry del Vasto, who married Flandrina, a daughter of Roger [Guiscard] I of Sicily, and Adelaide del Vasto, who was Roger's third wife. Following Roger's death, Adelaide married Baldwin I of Jerusalem. Two of Manfred's unnamed daughters married Roger I of Sicily's sons from previous relationships, Jordan, Count of Syracuse, and Geoffrey, Count of Ragusa...As Vasto's loved Guiscards/WISharts (of what looks like a Flanders-loving kind), I'd peg Vasto's as Visconti's, perhaps the ones of Sardinia. German Vests, first found in the same place (Switzerland) as Rangabe-suspect Reichs/Rike's, share the upward-pointed arrow on a blue Shield with Enders whom list Ingers. Remember, Visconti-suspect Ottone's are in Rangabe colors. German Langs use upward-pointed arrows too, which indicates that Inger and Melissena, of an early 9th-century period, are predicted to be a line to the Aleramici. As Ottone's became suspect with the relationship between Arduin of Ivrea and Otto of Germany, note that Boniface's father was Otto (Wikipedia has no article on him). Boniface's daughter is given as Bertha of Turin.
Bertha (c.1020/4 - after 1064/5) was a member of the Arduinici dynasty.Bertha was the daughter of Ulric Manfred II of Turin and Bertha of Milan [ruled by Ottone Visconti]. Her older sister was Adelaide of Susa. Bertha possessed property in the southern part of the county of Asti [at/beside Langhe], between the lower Belbo and Tanaro rivers.
She married Otto (or Teto) of Savona, margrave of western Liguria, c.1036
Here we have the first piece of historical evidence for a Rozala trace to Susa. It truly appears that Visconti's had previously been Vasto's. If Vest(ens) apply, so can Wests, who happen to use a "vie" motto term that I trace to the Viu valley near Susa. Wests were first found in the same place as "vi"-using Chives'. The West motto also uses a Jordan-like motto phrase connectable to Sardinia by one Jordan surname. The annulet-using Vio's/Vito's can apply and link to the annulets of Ottone's (and Pucks). Westons are from Orne, same as the Say location.
Back to the Vere-related Mandeville's, who shows as MANDERvilles, and can therefore be a branch of Manners and Manners/MANESS', the latter smacking of Manasses, a name used by Drakenberg Vere's. Maness' use a red Chief, as do Manner-related Mens', and a red chief is virtually the only symbol of the Arms of Aleramici. The Alers use a red escutcheon, upon gyronny in the colors of the Maness bars. The "umbra" motto term of Alers (these are the allerion liners) is thus suspect with Umbria, where Ottone's were first found. The Otone's/OALDENS (quadrants), smacking of the Aler-related and allerion-using HOLDENS, are said to be from VASSey, no guff, in Normandy. I now know that Alers are from the house of Aleramici, and this makes Holders and even Colters/Alters suspect with that house. See the Rodham motto.
Holders are easily pegged as kin of Dunhams while Obama, whose mother was a Dunham, chose Eric Holder to oversee his above-the-law schemes. Colters use the Wheelwright Catherine wheels while Singletarys, who are known to be the proto-Dunhams to Obama's mother, share the Wheelwright antelope. Therefore, Obama's mother is tracing to Vasto.
Let's now go to Bertha, mother of Bertha Aleramici of Turin: "Bertha of Milan or Bertha of Luni (c. 997-c. 1040), was a member of the Obertenghi dynasty. Bertha was married to Ulric [like "Aler"] Manfred II of Turin. She is sometimes identified with the Bertha who was married to Arduin of Ivrea...The following year, in July 1029, along with her husband and his brother, Bishop Alric [like "Aler"] of Asti, Bertha founded the Benedictine abbey in of S. Giusto in Susa, which housed the relics of Saint Justus of Novalesa." Arduin Glaber had conquered Novalesa (at Susa) less than a century earlier, in the time of Rozala, who changed her name to Susanna. There is a Noval Coat looking linkable to Maness' and Lance's, and to this it should be added that German Langs, first found in LUNEburg, and said to be related to Brunswick-Luneburg, were traced (by me) to the Luni in the quote above. The Luna's is where the Tute crescent traces, and so let's also mention that Otto above is in brackets (at his article) as "Teto." Were the Otto's / Ottone's a branch of Tute's / Toothills?
Novals smack of Nobels, and the latter share so-called flaunches with Wolfleys (same place as Otone's/Oaldens), yet another surname in the ancestry of Obama's mother (see mayor Wolflin of Orsingen). Novalesa may have been from a Nibelung branch of Burgundians, still suspect somewhat from Nefertiti, mother of king Tut.
Using the heraldry at my disposal, I guessed that there was a merger, at Langhe, of proto-Alans and proto-Visconti's. This was as many as four years ago, when they were traced to Brunswick-Luneburg...before knowing that German Langs were first found in Luneburg. I didn't catch wind of Luna's or Luni until some two years ago, but here I find that Bertha of Milan (predated Ottone Visconti of Milan) was from Luni. Her house: "The Obertenghi were a family of Italian nobility descended from Count Obert I of Luni, the first margrave of Milan and Eastern Liguria, a march called the marca Januensis, marca Obertenga or march of Genoa." The Segni's/Segurana's of Genoa are fingered here as Visconti / Vasto kin because the Fessys/Vesseys honor them in their motto. There was a Fieschi family of Genoa that should apply.
As Fists/Fausts can also apply, the fist that I see between the Genova/Geneva wings may indeed have been intended as a fist for the Vasto bloodline. As Fisks look like a merger with Cliffs/Cleave's, note that fists may been in use with Claviere's. Clavers use the key, as do Claviere's (not shown in this Coat), and then the Kays/Keys share double-black bendlets with Visconti-suspect Ince's / Inch's (suspect with green-snake Innis' with Insubres, founders of Milan). Vasto's could very-well have been Bast / Bust / Best / Basset / Bisset liners.
With a Luni entity controlling Milan, the Massino-Visconti location can be from Massa-Carrara, beside Luni. As Carrara has been traced to Carians, especially at Latmus, that was beside ancient Clarus, where Clare's come from whom merged with Claviere's / Clavers. The Charo's/Claro's seem like Clarus-line Carians. This mystery is almost solved with these latest additions to the puzzle. But I am not yet satisfied with the massive but circumstantial evidence for tracing the killers of Jesus to various surnames. While I feel sure about these traces, the reader has room to doubt, or to form alternative theories on what the pertinent surnames can trace to. The more certain I am of what I'm learning and sharing, the more confident I become for taking stabs in the right places for fishing out more puzzle pieces. Sooner or later, the "holy grail" puzzle piece with come up that makes an undeniable link between Caiaphas and all that I've been covering in the last month.
I am not familiar with the OBERTenghi, but do compare with the name of AUBREY, the early Vere rulers of Oxford. "Obert I margrave of Milan and count of Luni, was given the new marca Obertenga, Milan and Eastern Liguria. Eastern Liguria at this time contained the counties of Genoa, Luni, Tortona, Bobbio, Parma and Piacenza, Modena and Reggio Emilia, Ferrara, Ascoli Piceno. The Obertenghi margraviate was the source of the fiefs of the Este, Pallavicini, Vicini, Malaspina, Fieschi, Della Torre, Visconti of Gallura [Sardinia], Parodi, Pinelli, Lupi, Massa [at Carrara], Della Berardenga, Cavalcabo, Adalbertina, etc."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ObertenghiIn the article, there are links at almost all of those place names if you care to delve deeper. The Bobbio location was Ebovium anciently, inhabited by Boii, and may be of the Bove/Boy/Boi / Boso bloodline. Bobbio is at the Trebbia valley. The Fieschi's have roots in Spanish elements of southern Italy, and use an Arms linkable especially to Coat of Spanish Guerra's. Both use six bendy bars starting with a blue on at the bottom. The Guerra Shield is split in the sinister direction, code for certain bloodlines expected from Numidians. The Fieschi's are said to derive in a Belmonte entity suspect with the marriage of Waleran (Leavell ancestor) to Beaumonts. The Belmonts/Beaumonts (beside Mortons) are likely using the Say bull head with the Morton quarters. There are ten crescents in the colors of the Luna / Tute crescent, and between the crescents is the lion of Montferrat-suspect Montforts. One Beaumont Coat looks linkable to Boii-suspect Bone's.
Belmonte was founded in about 1270, under the reign of King Charles I of Anjou, with the construction of a castle in the territory of Amantea by Drogone di Beaumont, the marshal responsible for new fortification in Calabria, in order to provide resistance against partisans fighting for the claimant Conradin of Hohenstaufen....Under the TARsia lordship, Belmonte was besieged several times...The Tarsia were succeeded by the Ravaschieri Fieschi, of the Counts Fieschi di Lavagna, a family of Genoese bankers.
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