How Nassau Links to Orne and Dudley
In the last update, I said that Avigdor Lieberman was set to become the Israeli foreign minister again (my mistake), but this week I discover: "Extremist Israeli politician Avigdor Lieberman has been officially sworn in as Israel's new minister of military affairs."
Here is from a Russian media:
Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Ayoub Kara has acknowledged to have paid a clandestine visit to Syria's Aleppo, which is under the control of foreign-backed Takfiri terrorists.The Syrian army and its allies have been fighting to wrest control of the country's second city from terrorists who have reportedly received advanced weapons in recent weeks.
Kara did not say when his visit took place, saying "I won't get into it," the Israeli daily Haaretz reported.
...Late last month, Syrian officials and locals confiscated a vehicle loaded with Israeli-manufactured weapons in the southern province of Suwayda.
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/05/29/467949/Israel-Kara-Syria-Aleppo
Whether or not we can trust the Assad side with such claims, it is likely that Israel is contributing to weaponry inside Syria. What will Lieberman add to this picture? Ironically, Israel and Obama are not getting along, and Lieberman is very-much Obama's enemy. How does Israel work together with the Americans, in Syria, under this strain?
Al-Jazeera reported early this week that 700 bombs were dropped by the Syria-Russia team on and around Aleppo, and yet the report doesn't seem reliable with only 17 killed. Al-Jazeera stressed the injured children because it is opposed to Assad. Unbelievably, Al-Jazeera is now a propaganda tool for the American side of things.
Reuters is sticking to its moronic position that Turkey opposes ISIS. In this way, Reuters too is a propaganda tool. "Turkey's military killed at least 28 Islamic State fighters in shelling north of the Syrian city of Aleppo on Sunday in retaliation for the latest attacks against a Turkish border town, broadcaster CNN Turk said, citing a military statement." The source is the U.S. military, and you would do better to view it is a bold-faced lie. Reuters knows that Turkey has been supporting anti-Assad forces with weapons, and the article even says as much, though it fails to put it in those words. Instead, it says: "Rebel groups battling Islamic State in the area, which Washington sees as strategically vital, have been supplied with weapons via Turkey." You see, Reuters claims that Turkey is supplying the weapons to anti-Assad groups for the purpose of fighting ISIS, which I think is a joke. And the reader is to be the fool that believes it.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-idUSKCN0YL0FDThe article says that missiles from areas held by ISIS have been aimed at Turkey. But this doesn't prove that ISIS is firing them. Moreover, as it seems the American military is talking to Reuters, the missiles may indeed be from ISIS, but only because the Americans want this "show" in efforts to kill Russian claims that Turkey is supporting terrorists with weapons. On May 29, Press TV: "Earlier this week, the Russian General Staff warned that Al-Nusra is receiving daily arms shipments across the border from Turkey. The Russian side estimates that more than 6,000 terrorists are now running freely in the Aleppo province."
The article from which the quote was taken has a link to a wild claim: "Syrian Al-Qaeda-linked leader freely visited the US, but State Dept. says it 'didn't know'". You would do well to read the entire article, for it tends to show great guilt on Obama's hands:
https://www.rt.com/usa/344159-syrian-al-qaeda-linked-visited/Here is a related article:
Washington will continue to back a rebel group that reportedly committed a massacre in Syria, because they were 'vetted' by the Saudis and play a role in the Syrian political process, the [U.S.] State Department spokesman told reporters.Ahrar Al-Sham (Harakat Ahrar ash-Sham al-Islamiyya or "Islamic Movement of the Free Men of the Levant") is one of the largest rebel groups in Syria, and belongs to the Saudi-backed High Negotiating Committee (HNC). It is considered a party to the Syrian ceasefire, negotiated by Russia and the US.
On May 13, however, Al-Sham fighters raided the village of Al-Zara, killing and capturing scores of inhabitants. Speaking to RT Arabic, the surviving villagers described the attack as a "massacre."
Two days earlier, Washington blocked a Russian proposal at the UN to delegitimize Ahrar ash-Sham and another group called Jaysh al-Islam, over their regular violations of the ceasefire. Britain, France and Ukraine sided with the US. On Tuesday, State Department spokesman Mark Toner defended the decision.
"Ahrar al-Sham is not a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization," Toner told reporters, in response to a question from RT's Gayane Chichakyan. "It is part of this vetted group of opposition forces that are part of the HNC. That was process mostly led by Saudi Arabia, but with the consent of other members of ISSG, and that includes Russia.'
What Russia is saying is that two groups inside Syria do not pass the test of moderate opposition. But Russia is saying more, that these groups are radical and yet the Unites States embraces them, protects them. It is no surprise that Russia would make such accusations against the United States; the question is: are the accusations true? They have been my own accusations for years, and never did I come to my views based on what the Russians have said or believed. From now on, the U.S. will need to be very careful not to get caught working with these two groups. And with the Russians spying on U.S. deeds in Syria, the Americans are unable to operate as rats as freely as they otherwise might.
Russia brought this issue as far as the UN:
Russia has officially requested the UN to sanction and delegitimize two militant groups -- Ahrar Al-Sham and Jaysh al-Islam......According to Churkin the reason "for this step was the evidence that these organizations, fighting in Syria, are closely linked to terrorist organizations, first of all Islamic State (formerly ISIS/ISIL) and Al-Qaeda, and provide and receive from them financial, material, technical and military support."
It is very clear that Russia is aching to prove, in the open, that the Americans are supporting terror groups. And to this charge, the Americans need counter-measures to "prove" that they are opposed to the terror groups. Lord willing, the truth will become undeniable. It is high time that the world discovers the American government as literally demonic.
There can be some truth in American opposition to some ISIS groups or leaders. There is division and disagreement in every group, but even if the U.S. would like to see some ISIS leaders quashed for not being helpful to the overall agenda (to destroy Assad), the easy prediction is that, without ISIS and similar groups, Russia-backed Assad is going to survive. Reports this week claim that ISIS has taken over some villages near Aleppo that were previously in the possession of Syrian rebels. War between ISIS and the rebels is NOT what the U.S. wants to see. The past few months have been quite the headache for the Americans.
The bottom line is that, under pressure from all-around for doing a lousy job against ISIS in the past, the Americans now need to make it look good. If word gets out that they are dropping bombs in the wrong places, it's not going to look very good. Everyone should be expecting the Americans to crush ISIS at this time. If the Russians can do it in Palmyra, so can the Americans in Raqqah. The Russians have the Americans right where they want them, destroying the fighters they hoped to use against Assad. It's win-win because it doesn't cost the Russians a dime in bombs. The Assad-Russian axis can save their bombs for elsewhere.
WASHINGTON (Sputnik) -- The US-led coalition against the Daesh has not been coordinating its airstrikes near the Syrian city of Palmyra with the Russian military, US Air Forces Central Command (CENTCOM) Commander Gen. Charles Brown told reporters on Thursday."For the strike in Palmyra, we do not do any coordination with the Russians, we don't talk to them about what we are going to strike," Brown stated.
Yes, but the Russians are watching you, and reporting all that you do.
Early this week: "'Russian Su-34 attack aircraft have destroyed terrorists' illegal oil production facilities in al-Taura located 42 kilometers {roughly 26 miles} to the southwest of Raqqa,' the Russian Defense Ministry said on Tuesday." I wonder why this was done now and not sooner? Did the Russians need to green light from Assad first?
By Friday, Falluja was apparently on the verge of falling: ""In the first day of the operation to liberate Fallujah, the terrorists put up the toughest resistance...Now it is waning. According to our intelligence data, the terrorists are running out of food and ammunition," Yahya Rasul Zubaidi [Iraqi spokesman] told RIA Novos". According to the Iraqi's, they surrounded the city and blocked off all main roads out. However, if the fighters are hungry, what about the people around them? These fighters can go steal anyone's food. Will the U.S. step in and say, on behalf of the people, let the ISIS fighters flee? Even if they do, the Iraqis are not expected to announce such a thing to the country. Instead, they may wish to announce a glorious victory by some other method.
On the same day as that Iraqi announcement, the U.S. made it's statement: "Daesh's resistance near the Iraq's city of Fallujah is likely to continue, because the area surrounding the city has served as a revenue source for the terrorists, according to US Central Command (CENTCOM) spokesperson Col. Patrick Ryder". We might interpret that as making the "prediction" that ISIS will get some bread bullets from the suburbs because the U.S. will make sure of it. The article starts off saying the very opposite of what the Iraqi says: "The campaign of the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) to liberate the city of Fallujah has met intense resistance from the Daesh terror group, US Central Command (CENTCOM) spokesperson Col. Patrick Ryder said in a Twitter message on Friday." Hmm, the commander is not using the ISIS word.
Same article: "The [U.S.] spokesperson noted, however, that Fallujah has been further isolated and the Iraqi military is clearing the outskirts of the city." That's good progress to take the city's perimeter already. If the U.S. wants ISIS fighters to survive to fight another day, this is bad news. The U.S. has been using delay tactics on the Iraqis, and so note what the same man is saying in this article: "'As ISIL fights to keep Fallujah, we can expect them to look for opportunities to distract and delay Iraqi forces,' Ryder added." I say the U.S. will seek a way to distract the Iraqis, and tell them that now is not the best time to invade the center of the city. But the Iraqis are on a glory mission, and they want to announce as soon as possible that they did it, they beat ISIS.
Later the same day, an article where the U.S. is trying to hurt Iraqi morale:
According to multiple US military and civilian officials, a 17-month effort to revitalize the Iraqi regular army has failed to create a sufficient number of combat-ready military units or reduce the power of sectarian militias.As Iraqi government forces, joined by Shi'ite militias, launch an offensive to retake the city of Fallujah from Daesh, there are serious concerns about the effectiveness of the Iraqi army and the possibility of a humanitarian catastrophe, as some 50,000 Sunni civilians are trapped in the besieged town.
Some 17 months and 4,000 American troops have done little to significantly increase the combat readiness of the Iraqi regular army [probably because the Americans weren't in a hurry], as evidenced by at least one US civilian official, one ex-official, a former general and three current senior US military officers, reports News.Trust.Org...
Blah blah, the Americans are trying to convince the world that the Iraqis aren't ready, probably because the Iraqis aren't listening anymore to this pitiful garbage. The Americans are now threatening that the Iraqis will be blamed for any mess inside Falluja. Shame. The Americans are putting this scheme out onto the world stage, aren't they?
Also on Friday: "The US-led coalition against the Daesh terrorist group conducted 14 airstrikes in Syria and 15 strikes in Iraq, according to the US Central Command (CENTCOM)." Wowie, a whole 29 strikes. It must have taken about a whole 29 minutes. What did the air force do with the rest of its day? The reason this made it to the news at all is to feign a U.S. war against ISIS. Multiple cities are being invaded to oust ISIS, and, wowie, a whole 29 strikes. Aren't there multiple strikes per aircraft? How many aircraft did they send? That many? Wowie. There were a whole four strikes in Falluja, and a whole four in Mosul. That sounds like one plane per city, or maybe even the same plane in two cities. ISIS must be shaking in its boots, it's just so overwhelming to have one whole plane fly through. I wonder how many machine guns the four bombs hit. Maybe a whole four of them. We might here another report from the U.S. military of another air strike, but it might not be for another seven days, maybe ten.
The Iraqi's are not only putting a good face on the Falluja offensive, which of course makes the American statement seem like an insult, but the article ends with: "Some of the Daesh militants, fighting in the Iraqi city of Fallujah, are trying to leave the city under the guise of refugees, according to a spokesman for the Iraqi Joint Special Operations Command." If this is true, then ISIS must be nothing but a paper tiger.
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160603/1040742637/iraq-fallujah-daesh.htmlAnd here is from another Sputnik article: "The Iraqi city of Fallujah should be freed from occupation by the Islamic State, or Daesh, forces within one week, Iraqi government liaison for the Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF) Bassam Al Hussaini told Sputnik" If that turns out to be true, then why did the Iraqis wait so long to do it? Ask the cry-baby, two-faced Americans. Same article: "The offensive to retake the city from militants has been delayed to prevent excessive civilian casualties, Hussaini explained. 'The only reason that we slowed down a little bit is just because we were getting a lot of reports saying there were still civilians [in Fallujah] that Daesh was using as human shields,' he said. 'We are hoping three, four days from now, at the most a week, that Fallujah will be free, 100 percent.'" But wait, the Americans say you're not ready. How can you possibly do this in mere days?
Still on Friday: "Four illegal oil production facilities controlled by the terrorist group Daesh, also known as IS/Islamic State, have been destroyed by Russian fighter jets." Now that the Americans are feigning a war against ISIS, the Russians can give it all they have. The Russians are going for the money bag of ISIS; the Americans are going for ISIS "headquarters," like someone's house where they were hiding a week or more ago.
The Iraqis are involved in taking areas on the outskirts of Mosul. I suppose that, after Falluja, the Mosul operation can be ramped up, especially if Falluja is taken easily.
The Syrians sat down and talked over what they should do about the Americans butting in on Raqqah without permission from Syria. And then the decision came into the news:
The Syrian Army launched on June 3 [Friday] a large-scale offensive to liberate the city of Raqqa, the de-facto capital of the Daesh caliphate....Since the operation began the Syrian Army has breached the first Daesh defense line near the Abu Zein mount range and advanced for 15-20 km. The advance was backed by Russian airstrikes.
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160605/1040816844/syrian-army-raqqa.html
It's obvious that Assad wants to be in control of the outcome in Raqqah. It should be interesting to see how hard the U.S. fights to keep control in Raqqah. It should be interesting to see how the superpowers react to being on the same turf but with the U.S. not in favor. It would be shameful for a U.S. agent to cry foul on Assad because he's butting in. The reality is, the U.S. rushed to butt itself in before Assad could start his assault, probably to somehow justify US involvement. That's exactly what happened, in a country that does not welcome the United States. The Americans simply accuse a national leader of war crimes he did not commit, and then feel justified in seeking to remove him. Any leader not in favor of the West is a "bad guy." In my eyes, even though I don't favor Assad, nor like what he stands for, this intrusion makes the West look worse. It's a lot like the U.S. wanting access to everyone's emails whether you like it or not.
I don't know anything of the website below, but it claims to have access to US-military documents stating that there was a plot to use ISIS strategic purposes. As an example of what you can expect: "The 2012 DIA document, however, further shows that while sponsoring purportedly former al-Qaeda insurgents in Iraq to counter al-Qaeda, Western governments were simultaneously arming al-Qaeda insurgents in Syria. The revelation from an internal US intelligence document that the very US-led coalition supposedly fighting 'Islamic State' today, knowingly created ISIS in the first place, raises troubling questions about recent government efforts to justify the expansion of state anti-terror powers." This is a longish read, unlike a typical, shallow news story. One either believes that the leaked document(s) is true, or false:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assadThe article starts off:
From the first sudden, and quite dramatic, appearance of the fanatical Islamic group known as ISIS which was largely unheard of until a year ago, on the world's stage and which promptly replaced the worn out and tired al Qaeda as the world's terrorist bogeyman, we suggested that the "straight to beheading YouTube clip" purpose behind the Saudi Arabia-funded Islamic State was a simple one: use the Jihadists as the vehicle of choice to achieve a political goal: depose of Syria's president Assad, who for years has stood in the way of a critical Qatari natural gas pipeline, one which could dethrone Russia as Europe's dominant - and belligerent - source of energy...While business deals in the Middle East are expected to be the desired fruit of tampering in the Middle East, I think the Western reach goes beyond mere business to a revamping of the Middle East for a "new world order," the phrase used by the 1st Bush president. Evil conspiracies are by nature not crafted by good people. If a conspiracy theory seems ridiculous, it's only because we are entertaining it from a perspective of what normal people are likely to do or not do. Those who generally deny conspiracy theories are apparently in denial of evil people in world-leadership positions. They look at the angelic masks worn by the leaders, and fail to see through them. Middle-East conspiracies are placed in motion by lunatics having no care for the cost to the rest of the world, so long as they can achieve their goals. Adolf Hitler's plots would have remained conspiracy theories only, had he not launched WW2. You might say he was highly intelligent to get as far as he did; I say he was a heartless lunatic. There are lunatics today who think they can successfully carry out a revamping of the Middle East to the "democracy" envisioned by the 2nd Bush president. The fact that they can watch the Middle East suffer for decades while revamping it tells you all you need to know on whether they are normal versus lunatics. A lunatic doesn't realize that he's a lunatic. He thinks he's super-intelligent. A lunatic thinks he'll be the one to succeed at his craft. A lunatic is typically demonic because he's filled with demons. He can get away with all sorts of sly things, until God decides to act to cut him off. God has the last say on globalist conspiracies. The evil side of God has already decided what the Trap will be.
The Roman Dragon to the Modern-Day West
I've had a "long" break from bloodline topics. Very nice. Here is what I think is important. The 4th head of the Revelation dragon, emperor Vespasian, invaded Jerusalem, and had his army attack the forces of Josephus, a Jew from a line of priests who would later become a Roman historian. This Josephus was put in charge as a leader from superior leaders in Israel. He convinced his army, as well as women and children of his camp, to commit suicide rather than be taken alive by the Romans. But, according to his own words, when there were only two men left, he arranged not to commit suicide, and went over to Vespasian's protection, and even adopted the emperor's Flavius name. I have seen good arguments for tracing Josephus' bloodline to both the French and English Joseph surnames, and yet the English Joseph surname is highly linkable to KAPlans and CHAPlins, whom I see formed from Joseph CAIAPHas, the official killer of Jesus.
I had found sound reason for tracing the surname of Vespasia Polla, the emperor's mother, to the formation of the Pollock/Polk, Fulk and Fleck surnames, and even the surname of Adolf Hitler's mother, Polzl, became suspect. I was able to glean that "VesPASIa" was a double term, with one root in a Pasi entity that traces well to a Pasi surname, first found in Polloc-like BOLOGna (the surname was early "Polloc"). There is a Jewish Pollock surname, and the Scottish Pollocks lived in the PAISley area of Renfrewshire (Scotland), making Paisleys suspect from the Pasi entity to which Vespasia became suspect. Adding to the interest is that Pollocks use a saltire in the colors of the cross in the Arms of Pola/Pula, a city on Istria (to the east side of the Veneti), an area where golden-fleece Colchians are known to have settled. It just so happens that the golden-fleece Colchian city (Kutaisi) was on a river that had PHASis at it's mouth.
There was a question on whether "CaiaPHAS" applies, but no way to prove it. French Josephs are now showing a black-on-gold footless martlet, the colors of the martlets used by Pullys/Pullens, which I think is a great reason for tracing Josephs to Vespasian, and thus making Josephs suspect with Josephus. As the latter claimed to be of the priestly line (going back to Jonathan Maccabee), it is possible that he was a son of Joseph Caiaphas, or perhaps a nephew. I see logic with the killer of Jesus abandoning his people and going over to the Roman dragon along with Josephus.
Shortly after finishing my tribulation-related book, I felt commissioned to seek the roots of the Biblical dragon. At this early time more than ten years ago, a woman whose mother had a Pollock surname contacted me. She shared that her husband was involved with some shady things at Stanford University, an that he was murdered. She asked me not to reveal her husband's surname, but this was long ago, and she is now in her mid-80's. No one will do anything to her at this stage just for being his wife long ago. His surname was Speer, and then Speers happen to have been first found in the same place as Pollocks.
I claimed that God sent this woman into my email life for multiple reasons, but her Speer husband wasn't one of them. Nor was the trace of Pollocks to Vespasian conceived at the time. I now find that Speers are very important to the topic at hand. For one reason, the Fulke's/Folks (share green Shield with Pollocks and Belgian Flecks), whom are like the Polk variation of Pollocks, use a spear in Crest. And Speers use two spears in saltire, as do the Italian Pasi's, first found in Bologna. These Pasi's are in Paisley colors.
Evidence that emailer Pollock's family was involved with Masonry is where she told me that her father had a white-dog item / symbol. As she had shared that her mother was a Comfort surname on one side, I told her at that time that Comforts use a white talbot dog in their arms, along with peacocks. Years later, I read that the Peacock surname (use peacocks) was a sept of Pollocks. By that time, I had found that Peacocks come up as "Peas," suggesting that they may have been Pasi liners.
Years after revealing her father's white dog symbol, I found the white talbot dog of Fortuna's, whom I linked to "Lady Fortune" used by German Klassens. I recognized that Klassens were a branch of Glass', and Glass' became suspect with Glasgow, the main Scottish city at the Renfrew / Paisley theater. Glasgows became strongly linkable to the Lady/LAUDyman surname because the Glasgow surname uses a "Lord" motto term while the Lord surname is listed with LAUDs. Thus, "Lady Fortune" was discovered as code for this Glasgow-related Laud / Lady bloodline.
This is the place to repeat that Adolf Hitler's father, before marrying Miss Polzl, married Miss Glassl. If that's not enough, Hitler's nephew, who was permitted to go live on Long Island, changed his surname to Stuart-Houston. Not only do Houstons use an hourGLASS symbol as well as sharing the Stewart / Stuart checks, but Houstons were first found in the Glasgow theater. Notice the orange-like color of the Stuart-Crest lion. It's not gold like the Shield. Note the "est" motto term of the Stuarts, for I trace Este to "Istria." It is known that the patriarch of the Pollocks (Fulbert the Saxon) lived in Dol and Shropshire with the Alans = the proto-Stewarts. They all moved to Glasgow shortly after the Conqueror's invasion. We should start asking why the Stewarts had roots in Vespasia Polla.
Fulbert the Saxon birthed Peter Polloc, his eldest son, with an unknown mother assumed to have been a Saxon. Petro was the name of Vespasian's grandfather, the one with the Flavius surname. I had found that all three Peter surnames were traceable to Peter Pollock. For one, English Peters share mascles (hollow diamonds / lozenges) with Peacocks, but PETTS, listed with Perts, likewise use mascles. And then Pula/Pola on Istria is also known as PIETas-Julia.
Emailer Pollock liked to stress "Lady Rothes," known as Muriel, a daughter of Peter Pollock. I didn't know at the time that Rothes castle (at Rothes, Moray theater), built by Peter Pollock, was of the proto-Rothschilds. There were various ways to clinch it. Later, I was sent an Arms of Rothschild that I would use in making links, which led to realizing that it uses the PETTy quadrants (half the Comfort quadrants), making Rothschilds traceable to Vespasia Polla. But one wouldn't trace Rothschilds merely to her Roman blood, but also to the Jew, Josephus, and all that it can imply as per the Israeli priesthood.
As just one interesting piece of heraldry in this regard, the Pettys share the green parrot with the Peeble's surname while Bowers, who use the five, bunched arrows seen in the Arms of Rothschild, were first found in Peebles-shire (Scotland). The Parrots, one may gather, were a branch of Peters / Pettys. The Parrots even tried to take the Oval Office not many years ago. Bowers not only share a green Shield with Bauers and Burleys, but with Pollocks. If you don't know, the first Rothschild (Mayer) was born Mr. Bauer.
As Pettys are said to descend from Saxonite England (Warwickshire) prior to the Conqueror's conquest, it suggests that Polloc, the location in Renfrewshire, was related to this Petty bloodline. Fulbert the Saxon went to live in Polloc, and that's how his son adopted the name. It stands to reason that Fulbert named his first son after this Petty bloodline. His second son, Robert, has the same name as Robert of Stafford in the Petty write-up. We read there that Pettys were holders of Ilmington manor, held by Alric, prior to the conquest, himself said to be "from Robert of Stafford". Which one?
To help expose that emailer Pollock's parent(s) were from Masonic elements, or at least from those who honored their distant-past bloodline, her first name is Mariel, the same name as Peter Pollock's daughter. After all these years, the very same name.
I was toying with a trace of Cammells/Campbells to "Gamala," an Israeli city taken by Maccabees, and one to which Josephus was commissioned. By this time, I knew that Comforts were listed with Comerfords, and that another Campbellfords/Comerfords share their peacock. What might the COMER link to Campbells have been? Why do German Gamells, who share the same stars as Comforts (and Bauers / Julians), list a GOMERle variation? It was interesting to later find that Spanish Petro's share the fleur-de-lys in the colors of the same of Cambell-like Gamble's. Moreover, Josephus wrote about a certain GAULonite from Gamala, while ancient CAMULOdunum was later, COLchester. The cross in the Arms of Colchester is linkable to the Campbellford cross, but compare also with the Candel cross, for Candels share a blue bend with German Gamells, and moreover Candels (same place as Camps) look to be using a version of the Charo/Claro Coat while English Josephs use a "charo" motto term.
It appears here that Candels (colors reversed from Gamble's) were a branch of Gamble's, especially as Kyle's, who claim to be from king Cole i.e. of Colchester, use CANDLEsticks. This has potential to reveal that Candels were ultimately Gamala Israelites / Maccabees. Candels are said to use "two EARS of wheat" in Crest, code for Eyers/AYERs, important because Kyle's were first found in AYRshire. Scottish Chappes' use ears of wheat too, making Chappes' suspect with the Caiaphas bloodline to which Josephus may have been directly related. Josephus wrote on a SADDUC character, a Pharisee friend of the Gaulonite of Gamala, and then SADDOCKs use "ears of rye." The Rye's, first found in the same place (Sussex) as Saddocks, share the white-on-red bend with Jewish Pollocks, a good reason to trace Saddocks to Josephus liners.
http://www.free-coat-of-arms.com/Deans/Deins were likewise first found in Sussex, and Comforts use a motto that could be code for Deans. The latter use a "Forti" motto term while English Forts use an "audax" motto term, like that "Audacter" of Pollocks. The Fort quadrants are even colors reversed from the Comfort quadrants. Italian Forts were first found in the same place (Ferrara) as Claro's/Charo's, and then while the Ferrara's use the same lion as Fort-like Sforza's, the latter's lion holds a Quint-like quince while Quince's (mascles) were first found in the same place as Ladys.
As the Kyle candlesticks are part code for the Sticks, this is a good place to repeat that Sticks share gold garbs with both English Josephs and Avis'/Avisons. The latter two use the gold garbs in the same two colors. Plus, it was recently discovered that candlesticks are in the Arms of Le Mans, and while Le Mans was once the capital of Maine, French Josephs were first found in Maine. Garbs were named as code for the Garb surname, but garbs are sheaves of wheat that connect quite-obviously with the ears of wheat above, and it can be gleaned that the Sheaves / Shaw bloodline was kin to Ayers and Eyers, especially as Shaws are said to be from Stick- / Saddock-like "SITHECH."
Colchester is in Essex, where Quints were first found who share the chevron of Staffords, bringing Robert of Stafford to mind. The Capone's use what I see as a version of the Camp/Comp Coat (Campbells colors), but Capone's also use three stars in colors reversed from the same of English Gamells. I'm addressing the Quints together with Capone's because Quintus Caepio, suspect as an ancestor of Joseph Caiaphas / Josephus, was the one responsible for the Capone-like Caepionis surname. Italian Capone's were first found in the same place as Italian Candels.
While Pollocks are said to be a sept of Maxwells, and the latter said to be from Maxton, English Forts share the bee design of Maxtons ("esto" motto term), and both share the fitchee cross with Quints while Maxtons even use the same chevron as Quints. Peter of Maccuston is said to have held a family seat at Huntingdon, beside the first Capone's. As Maxtons share the Stafford chevron too, it's a great argument for identifying Fulbert the Saxon from Robert of Stafford while identifying Staffords with Pettys. I would go so far as to say that Peter of Maccuston (Maxton) was related to Fulbert.
"Robert de Stafford (known also as Robert of Tosny and Robert de Toeni) (c. 1039 - c. 1100) was a Norman nobleman, the builder of Stafford Castle in England. He is generally said to have been a son of Roger I of Tosny; primary evidence is lacking to determine his parentage, according to Cawley". They say he "apparently married Avice de Clare..." so as to be traceable to Charo's/Claro's. It's a good bet that she was of the Avice/Avis/Avison surname (the ones using the Joseph garbs). It is excellent to find that both Roberts were Tosni's, for the Tous/Tosini surname uses a man with shirt and buttons, and this has been traced already to the Buttons/Bidens that use the chapeau cap of Capelli's! Very excellent, for English Josephs, first found in the same place as Buttons/Bidens, can be shown to be using versions of the Kaplan and Chaplin Coats, which clinches the latter two as branches of Capelli's (first found in Ferrara, as with Charo's/Claro's). Capelli's are said to be Este elements. Moreover, the Shirts/Sherards not only use another peacock, but share a red chevron with Maxtons "(esto" motto term). Note vice-president JOSEPH Biden!
This is a good place to repeat that Avisons are suspect from Avezzano, near Rieti, the latter being the home of Vespasian's family, which is why "AVEZzano" looks related to "VESpasia." Moreover, Avezzano is smack at mount Sabina, and then on the first Robert Stafford, we read: "Although some sources say that he married Adelisa de Savona..." It just so happens that the Savona surname, which shares the red scallop with Pullys/Pullens, is listed with the Sabine surname, an obvious clue that Pullys/Pullens were from Vespasia Polla. The Savona/Sabine Crest shares the red bull with Joseph-beloved Charo's/Claro's, assuring that Savona's had merged at some point(s) with the line from Josephus. The Savona scallop is linkable to the same of Caplin-beloved Gardners and Capes', while Gards use a version of the Pully/Pullen Coat.
The similarity between "Bessin" and "Avezzano" suggests that the bees used by Bessins and Bistone's are the Maxton / Fort bee. Both Bessins and Bistone's share the black-on-white bend of Sale's/SALLETTs (and Rothes), whom I trace to the SALTo river, location of Avezzano. While there is a good argument for tracing Salto-river liners to the Salyes Ligures, they are sometimes thought to have been the same as the SALUVii. It's therefore interesting that Toeni's use a SLEEVE, and that this is part of the Arms of Leicester, a city on a Legro river looking like the Ligures named it. I have read that MANCHE, beside the Bessin, is on the French coast from "The Sleeve," supposedly an alternative name for the English Channel, but, now, I'm wondering whether that Sleeve name was given to it only by a select few that were privy to the meaning of the heraldic sleeve, which happens to be called a MAUNCH in some cases. The Meschins of the Bessin descended from Malahule of More, the latter known to be the patriarch of the Tosni's / Toeni's.
Here is the sleeve in the Coat of English Tonys; it's fashioned in the shape of an 'M'. These Tonys are traced (in their write-up) to Ralph de Toeni of Belvoir.
Italian Tony's use a so-called "flower," and the Flowers share the Potter cinquefoils, white like the Bus / Hamilton cinquefoil in the Arms of Leicester. The Potters (same place as English Josephs) were resolved from Poti, an ancient Colchian city that was also "PHASis." I have been tracing Bessins and similar others to this place so that VesPASIa Polla is being viewed as part Colchian. The Potter cinquefoils are colors reversed from those of the Betts, and the latter use a bend in colors reversed from that of Sale's, Bessins, etc. It's suggesting that Poti elements evolved the Bett surname. Note the CorBETTs below, for they link square to Rothes' and Pettys.
The page below speaks on a Robert de Stafford having slightly-different birth and death dates than the one above, yet the one below is said to have married Avice de Clare. If correct, then the Robert further above didn't marry her, meaning that he may have married the lady of Savona, another good reason to identify Pollocks with this Robert of Stafford. Later, in the next section, the Tosni's = Toeni's come up again from a different perspective, when seeking the reasons that Nassau's use the symbol of the rulers of Eu, the latter known to be Clare's of the CRISPIN kind. Below we find that "Robert de Toeni, Lord of Stafford," was supposedly the "Half brother of Guillaume 'CRESPIN' d'Evreux, Comte d'Evreux; Agnes de Montfort, Comtesse d'Evreux..." Later, you will see why Nassau's are expected to be close kin of the Montforts that married Beaumonts of Leicestershire, the latter location being where Toeni's had titles.
https://www.houseofnames.com/savona-family-crestThere is a third Robert of Stafford in the page below. The page shows the Stafford Arms except that his daughter, Alice, is showing a different Arms, a bend with white-on-black stars, the colors of the Savona stars.
https://www.geni.com/people/Robert-de-Stafford/6000000002043252499The page below shows a Robert de Stafford in the Domesday book, and has a map showing his location smack beside Oxford, important because the Savona bull is red, the color of the ox in the Arms of Oxford. The Robert Stafford in the above paragraph is said to have been a son of Miss Ferrers, and her surname is likely a branch of Vere's (from Manche), longtime-rulers of Oxford. Robert in the paragraph above married Alice Corbett while Pettys share the elephant with Corbetts. Both are grey / silver elephants, the color of the elephant in the Arms of Oxford. No guff. Pettys are the ones with Robert of Stafford in their write-up. Alice Corbet was daughter to a sheriff of Shropshire, and Fulbert the Saxon lived in Shropshire, though no one seems to know whether he was related to, or just a friend of, the Shropshire Alans. English Rothes', first found in Shropshire, use lions on a bend in the colors of the stars on a bend in the Arms shown for Alice, Robert's daughter. If that's not enough, German Rothes' and Corbetts share the raven!!! Peters use the raven too!
http://opendomesday.org/name/452700/robert-of-stafford/This is a first ever by me to trace Pollocks to one or more Roberts of Stafford. And it seems to have corroborated itself very naturally on multiple occasions.
Why do Corbetts use a "PAScit" motto term? The Pasi > Vespasia bloodline, right? Chances are that "paSCIT" is a double code, one for the Skits and Skeets' that are in the "VireSCIT" motto term of Stewarts. It just dawned on me that, because both Gore surnames use version of both Alan Coats, CORbetts look like a branch of the Core variation of Gore's.
There are many things to glean here, including a Peter-Pollock link to Corbetts, tending to clinch Pettys with Peter Pollock. As Alice Corbett's father was Thomas Corbet (Caus castle), it's clear that this was the line from Thomas and Alice of Saluzzo, which line was married by the FitzAlans of Shropshire's Clun location. Rothschilds were from Josephus, and probably Caiaphas too, isn't that right? Alans were traced (by me) to Forum Allieni, the name of proto-Ferrara as far back as 70 AD. I view Saluzzo from the so-called Salassi, and lump them in with the Salyes.
I had traced the Chives' to Luisa of Ceva, mother of Alice of Saluzzo and wife of Thomas of Saluzzo. The Chives' were first found in the same place as Hykes', and while the Hykes' use the Chives quadrants and a cross in the colors of the Chives cross (see also the Gore/Gower cross), the Hykes' use a version of the Eaton Coat while Edelina de Eaton was a daughter of Alice Corbet (and Robert Stafford). Perfect. Chives' were a Caiaphas-line branch, weren't they? Eatons were first found in the same place as English Pace's and Meschins, and Pace's are suspect as a branch of Bessins (i.e. all from Phasis).
The Corbetts under discussion trace back to Simon II, baron of Caus, whose wife was Miss Bramton.
I think I have found the Robert of Stafford in the Petty write-up, and it connects very well to proto-Rothschilds: "The name [of the Bearley village] is first recorded as Burlei in 1086 and is from Old English burh + leah 'woodland clearing near a fortified place' [that is a garbage derivation of the typical kind]. Bearley is recorded in the Domesday Book where its 5 hides were split, 4 being held by William son of Courbucion...and 1 hide as part of the lands of Robert of Stafford " Alric holds 1 hide in Bearley." The Petty write-up speaks on an Alric holding from Robert of Stafford, and Bearley is in Warwickshire, where Pettys were first found. The Pettys are the ones sharing the green parrot with Peeble's while Bowers, who share a green Shield with Burleys, were first found in Peebles-shire, meaning the Bowers and Burleys/Bourleys/Berleys were apparently from/of this Bearley location that was Burlei in earlier times. Therefore, proto-Bauers were probably from Bearley, and they moved from Warwickshire to Scotland along with the Alan-Pollock wave. Warwickshire is beside Shropshire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BearleyThe Bearley/Borley surname (shown properly as "Barley") shares the boar head with Burleys. The Bearley write-up suggests possible connection to the Borley. The Bearley/Borley Coat shares two fesse bars, often called "gemel," with Flecks/Flacks/Flags, the latter first found in the same place as Fulke's/Folks so that one can link squarely to Pollocks, as expected of Burleys. It's notable that Flecks (share the Samson / Meschin scallops) are using a version of the Palmer Coat while Palmers use cinquefoils in the colors of the same of Potters / Flowers. The latter are said to be of an arrow theme (used by Bowers), and in particular suggest kinship with Fletchers/FLEGgers. It appears from this that Flowers were a Fleck branch of the Fletcher/Flegger kind to which Toeni's should have been related. Italian Tonys (flower) were first found in the same place (Tuscany) as Italian Fulks. Tuscany is the location of flower-possible Florence, where Taddei's/Tadini's were first found who may have been a branch of the Todini variation of Toots/Tuits (same place as Fulke's / Flecks). The Toot write-up traces BERengar of Todini to the Conqueror's father.
Bars GEMEL have been suspect with CAMULOdunum, and here we find Bearleys/Borleys using them while Borley is in the same place (Essex) as Camulodunum. As Kyle's trace as Cole's to Camulodunum, while Kyle's were first found in AYRshire, it's notable that Bearleys share the quatrefoil with Ayers. As Essex is where English Vere's were first found, the gold Bearley boar head is likely that of Scottish Vere's/Weirs...yet a gold boar head can also be found in the Speer Coat. Bars gemel are used by ModBURLEYS.
The Burley write-up speaks on a village by that name in Berkshire, which is where Modens/Modeys and Arcs were first found, important because Modane is on an Arc river near the home of Salyes Ligures. Repeat: "The page below shows a Robert de Stafford in the Domesday book, and has a map showing his location smack beside Oxford, important because the Savona bull is red, the color of the ox in the Arms of Oxford." I didn't mention that Robert's home was in Berkshire. This Robert, who doesn't predate the Saxon one(s) at Ilmington manor, is called "Tenant-in-chief in 1086: {South} Denchworth, Wantage, Berkshire." One can now view MODburleys (the bars gemel of Washingtons and Ness') as Moden/Modey liners. The webpage says that there are zero locations for him (i.e. in Normandy) prior to the conquest, which makes sense if he descended from Ilmington's Roberts.
http://opendomesday.org/name/452700/robert-of-stafford/The Robert of Stafford in Ilmington is the one in the Petty write-up. There is a question now as to which of the two Roberts Fulbert was from. It's interesting that while I've been guessing that FULbert named the Fullers, the latter share a brown horse with Dench's, the possible namer of Denchworth. I've been tracing the gold-on-green Pollock saltire to the same of one Frank surname for a long time, but here we find the Dench's sharing a white-on-green saltire with the other Frank surname! Bingo. I am now convinced that proto-Pollocks were directly of the family of Robert of Denchworth. The Dench Coat (shares white fitchee with Modburleys) is comparable to that of Blade's, suspect with Pilate's.
Warwick lions can easily be the Poole lion, but then Rita's use the same one that happens to be holding a "PIECE of wood." Together, "Rita" and "piece" can indicate the Pasi-Rieti merger that I see in Vespasia Polla, you see. Poole (beside the first Potters, Botters, Buttons and Josephs, Bidens) is on shore from the Isle of Wight, and the latter's Cowes location may be related to the Caus of the Toeni's. Note that Peace's/Paise's/Pease's are in Burley / Dench colors, and that the Pease variation is like the Peas surname listed with Peacocks (Pollock sept). Therefore, the line of Vespasian is highly suspect in Warwickshire's Pettys, and Robert of Ilmington (early "YLMANdunes", perhaps a name from the Yells / Yellows).
The Dench Crest: "A Unicorn's head between two branches of laurel." Dench's are listed with Dennys, said to be from Danes and/or Normans. The Cnuts (Danes) use the unicorn too, and Danish Cnuts use "pot hangers" while Hangers/Angers were first found in the same place as Potters. Stock from the Rollo Danes was likely in England before the Conqueror arrived. The king-Maccus vikings, contemporary with Rollo, had merged with Saxons of POLESworth...when Maccus' grandfather (Sitric) married Edith of Polesworth, and then the Maxwells and Maxtons are traced to Maccus characters, clear indication that Pollocks and Maxwells are from the Maccus vikings. But this then predicts that Vespasian liners became vikings. Maccus' family had been on the Isle of Man, where a Manche-like Manx peoples lived.
English Cnuts were first found in Derbyshire along with the Eyers/Ayers. "Polesworth is a large village and civil parish in the North Warwickshire district of Warwickshire, England...Polesworth is located...adjacent to the border with Staffordshire, and is only 4 miles (6 km) from Tamworth. The border with Derbyshire is 5.5 miles (9 km) to the north...The River Anker and the Coventry Canal run through Polesworth..." Apparently, the Hangers/Angers were on the Anker river. North Warwick borders Leicestershire and Staffordshire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolesworthPlus, I've traced the naming of Warwick to Warsaw (Masovia capital), Poland, where the Arms uses a mermaid holding a sword (she's in the Glass Crest). I've traced the Sword surname (represented much by heraldic swords), independent of the Warsaw sword, to dukes of Masovia, especially Mieszko I, grandfather of Cnut. Dukes of Masovia shared the red-on-white wyvern dragon with Drake's (same place as Potters and Hangers), and while Wessex used a white wyvern dragon, "Wessex," which I've read to be the same as "Gewisse," was traced to the Kwisa river in the Polish border area, in Lusatia, location also of the Spree river. It just so happens that Spree's share the crescents of Speers so that Speers are realized as Spree-river Lusatians / Poles, all the more reason that God should send emailer Pollock into my life, to make me realize in yet another way that Poles were in Renfrewshire. Reminder: Speers share the gold boar head with Bearleys and Vere's while the latter came to rule a satanic Drakenberg organization that exists to the modern day. It was ruled by Nicholas de Vere von Drakenberg, who claimed that Vere's were from the ancient Mitanni, a Modena-like term. I had traced Vere's to the Anchor/Annacker surname, but don't recall knowing of the Anker river until now. There is a second Anker surname using the Hamilton motto, "Through." These Ankers are shown properly as Inksters, evoking Inger, the Varangian husband of Melissena Rangabe. Ankers share a blue Shield with Ingers/Enders.
Why does the Arms of Warwickshire use a BEAR, if not for BEARley elements? "Equivalently [Warwickshire] extends as far north as Shrewsbury in Shropshire and as far south as Banbury in north Oxfordshire." Polworths were first found in BERwickshire (near Maxton), which itself uses the bear. Banburys (share three red-on-white piles with Cowes'/Cawe's) list Bamburgs, and then German Bamburgs/Bambergs use a single red-on-white pile. Bamburgh castle was home to queen Bebba of the Bernicians i.e. of Berwickshire. This is how proto-Pollocks of the Warwick / Shropshire theater apparently merged with Maccus liners in Berwickshire, but it should also be mentioned that king Maccus had entertained talks with Saxons in Cheshire, to the north side of Shropshire.
It dawns on me here that SHREWSbury may have been named by Sheriffs, first found in Warwickshire. Salop, the alternative name of Shropshire, may have been a version of "Saluvii." These may very-well have been Slavs because Sullivans use a "lamh" motto term while there is a Lamatis location near a Salviae location in proto-Croatia i.e. land of Slavs. See center-left of this map:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Roman_provinces_of_Illyricum%2C_Macedonia%2C_Dacia%2C_Moesia%2C_Pannonia_and_Thracia.jpgThe Polworth piles are in the colors of the same of Guiscards, and this gets very VESpasian-important because Guiscards are listed with WISharts, and first found in the same place (Stirlingshire) as Chappes'/Chaips. We are expecting Caiaphas liners from Vespasian's family, right? Yes, and that's likely why the Titus and Stirling surnames share a Negroid Moor head with French Chappes'. Vespasian's son was emperor Titus. Look to the near-west of Salviae for a Titius river. It appears certain that proto-Saluvii were on this river to which Titus can trace, for Titus' family was on the Salto river. Look to the near-west of the Titius to see the Telavius river, a term like "Saluvii." Pola is on this map to the north-west of the Telavius. Colchians were throughout this area.
In the same way that Pollocks were using Muriel for almost 1,000 years between the 12th century and the modern day, I see the Flavian family using Peter for roughly 1,000 years between Vespasian's grandfather and Peter Pollock. Why did Peter name his daughter, Muriel? Do so-called MURAL crowns of heraldry apply? Caens use a mural crown, as to Lurch's/Larchers and Archers (share arrows like those of Ingers/Enders). The latter two are branches, and they use arrows, as do Bowers. They both put white dragons, the symbol of Wessex Saxons, in their red mural crowns. They were suspect with Lurco, grandfather of emperor Augustus, and father-in-law of pelican-like Appius PULCHer. Stewarts use a pelican, and "Pulcher" is like "Pollock/Polk." Coincidences? I don't think so. I made me feel that there had been a link between Vespasia Polla and Appius Pulcher. The latter was adopted by the family married by Servilia Caepionis (see her genealogy at her Wikipedia article), granddaughter of Quintus Caepio. The latter had a daughter, Servilia Caepionis, who, according to some historians, was mother to Publius Pulcher, a contemporary of Appius Pulcher.
? Caens, who use a motto term as code for Cetis, where a Maccabee line ruled, share a fretty Shield with Modens/Modeys, suggesting that, somehow, the Archers named the Ark river at Modane. There are other possibilities for the naming of the Arc; for example, Herod Archelaus, who lived down-river from it in the Vienne-Isere theater. This was not far from the Salyes Ligures. The Maccabee line at Cetis was also a line of Herods, when they had married the Maccabees. Ber(e)nice Agrippa, daughter of Herod Agrippa, was traced to the naming of Bernicians, but Bernice's and Burns had both traced through Modena too. It could appear that Polesworth elements became the Polworths of Bernicians by their historical attachment to the line of Berenice Agrippa. If you care to check, the Burn write-up has a location in Renfrewshire i.e. where Pollocks were first found.
Both Pollocks and Polesworth are said to be named after a pool, but historians claims such things as facts all over the place, proven wrong repeatedly by heraldic evidence. Such evidence proves that certain surnames were simply versions of other surnames, some of them taking on dictionary terms, such as the Pool surname. It doesn't mean they were named after a pool, but it does mean that most historians are utterly simpleton, if not downright ignorant.
Both Burns and Bernice's use black hunting horns, as does the Arms of Traby in Poland. Plus, as the Caen Crest shares five, white ostrich feathers with the Arms of Traby, Caens trace to the Ceno river, near the Trebbia. It then reveals that there could have been Cetis elements of the Herod-Maccabee kind near the Ceno / Trebbia theater. The Ceno is a tributary of the TARO while Rieti is on the TURano as well as the Salto. It seems clear enough that Turano elements named the Durance river, home of the Salyes. The source of the Durance is within about 25 miles from Modane.
The KENNedys (more fitchee crosses), who can also be from the namers of the Ceno, use an "Avise" motto term in honor of the Avis/Avison surname that I see from Avezzano. But the entire Kennedy motto is, "Avise le fin," part-code for Lafins (same lion as Italian Conte's), first found in the same place (Tipperary) as Irish Kennedys. The Lafins are properly, "La Font," and then Lurco was from Fondi (near Rome). There are also the Ville's (same place as Conti's), shown properly as, Font de Ville, whom I claimed to be the reason for "Conteville" before knowing of the Avis surname. It just so happens that Conteville's ruled a Comyns location while Comyns use the Avis Coat. Plus, Herluin de Conteville was the son of John de Burgo, and his line is in the Burgh surname that lists "Berk," the likely namers of Berkshire i.e. where Modens and Arcs were first found.
The Burgh/Berk cross is shared by Eustace's, from Eustace II, father of the first two rulers of Templar Jerusalem. The first ruler was Godfrey de Bouillon, and as we could expect that one or both of the two Godfrey surnames traces to him specifically (because heraldry is all about Crusader-related rulers), note that one Godfrey Coat uses pelicans. The Bouillons use a "bello" motto term that has been resolved with Belli's, Belows/Bella's (fretty Shield) and Bellows/Bellets. It's only as per this update that the ship of Ankers has been gleaned as code for the Ship(ton)s, for while the latter use fans called, bellows, the Bellows/Bellets happen to use cinquefoils in the colors of the same of Hamiltons, the latter first found in the same place as Pollocks. Bellets / Billets are like "Blade," the latter using what I say is a version of the Pollock Coat. Hamiltons not only have the "Through" motto of Ankers, but the same tree in Crest...both codes likely for the Tree/True surname. This tree likely belongs to the Watts (glasses hanging on the tree), first found in Warwickshire.
This means that other heraldic ships can be code for the Ship surname. Durants use a ship, and they were Durance-river liners, and then the Below fretty links to the Moden fretty so that Below liners can trace to Modane, i.e. near the Durance. Keep in mind, as per the Cotton surname below, that Modane and the Durance are at the French side of the Cottian Alps. For a long time, I thought the Bellow Crest was a wolf, but it turned out to be a fox, which is now gleaned as code for the Irish Foy surname that shares the eel with the Ship/Shipton Crest. French Foys are listed with Foix's, you see. And that's how heraldry works, with codes strewn everywhere; once you know this, you are off to the races in making links.
Mr. Skeets, whose email is below, is a Hamilton liner too, and he's discovered that a Schutz family of Germany was vassal to the Nassau's. The latter use billets while one Billet surname uses a version of the Bellow/Bellet Coat, thus linking Hamilton liners to Nassau kin. While Dutch Nassau's list "Naso," there is an Italian Naso surname that uses a symbol somewhat like the so-called HANKs of cotton of Cottons (shares "paratus" with Swords). Then, Cotts/Cottins use yet another fretty Shield. It appears, therefore, that the Hank surname (Guerra Coat?) is an Anker-river liner too, or at least of the stock that named the Anker river.
Cottons ("fortuna" = Glass bloodline) appear to be using a version of the Ottone Coat, for both surnames are similar enough. The Ottone Coat links to that of French Chappes (share the Moor head with Bouillons), first found in the same place as one of two French Foix/Foy surnames. The other French Foix surname (in Cotton / Ottone / Chappes colors) was first found in the same place as Bouillons, and this Foix surname uses black roundels called, PELLETs," an obvious branch of Billets / Bellets. French Billets were first found in the same place as French Josephs.
As Hamiltons were first found in the same place as Paisleys, spot the ANCHOR in the Paisley Coat, and compare the Coat to the Naso Coat. The heraldic anchor can thus be gleaned for Anker-river liners. This is a good place to mention that while the Greek ostrich is a "struthios," Paisleys were from STRATHcylde while being possibly related to the Baez/Paez variations of Placentia-possible Pelaiz's, important because Placentia/PIACenza is on the Trebbia while Trabys use ostrich feathers.
I've traced HAMELtons to CAMULodunum for good reason. As this city was later, COLchester, note that there is a Coleshill river beside Polesworth. In fact, I am beside myself at this time because I have traced Billet / Bils liners to an ancient Bilis river of Pamphylia, and so see here: "Coleshill is located on a ridge between the rivers Cole and BLYTHE which converge to the north with the River Tame." It appears that Blythe's (surname of Bill Clinton's biological father) were Billet liners. The Coleshill surname happens to use the gold-and-black checks of the Bils surname! Amazing. These checks can be found with the Spanish Baez'/Paez's/Pelaiz's (half the Pollock saltire) that trace well to the Pollock Coat because they look like a Paisley branch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleshill,_WarwickshirePamphylia was home to Plancia Magna (from the Maccabee-Herod line under discussion, and "Magna" can be a line to Majors/Magors, who not only use an anchor, but a version of the Anchor/Annacker Chief. Plancia has been traced by her Tertullus family to mythical Tertullus, patriarch of the Anjou Fulks (at ANGERS, no guff), which then traces her to Pollocks too. The Plancia-like Plunketts (Fuller horse?) were first found in the area of Dol, where proto-Pollocks lived. The Plocks, if you care to read their write-up, are very traceable to Plunketts! There is a Plock location in Poland not far from Traby. Pollocks share the hunting horn with the Arms of Traby.
Pollocks trace to Mieszko by certain methods, and then the Cole's use a bull in the colors of the Mieske bull head. It all tends to assure that Pollocks were at Polesworth and the Coleshill river. The Coleshill Chief is filled with red drops, and the Drop surname (uses a Shield filled with drops) is listed with Trope's, i.e. a potential Trebbia liner.
Fullers share the beacon with German Belli's, and likely share the red bars of Italian Belli's. But then Beacons are listed with Bacons while French Bacons once again use the Hamilton / Bellow / Billet cinquefoils.
I've just looked up the Tame's as per the Tame river, and they are listed with Thames', first found in the same place (Oxfordshire) as the Thames river. However, the Tame/Thames Chief has mascles in colors reversed from the similar lozenges of Anchors/Annackers/Ankers (the latter has a red bull in Crest linkable to the red ox in the Arms of Oxford). This tends to reveal that Thames-river peoples were at the Tame and the nearby Anker.
The Hamiltons: "A green tree with a saw cutting THROUGH it." Again, this must be code for the Tree/True surname, and then Drews are listed with Dreux's (Drake colors), the latter using the bull-head design of Anchors/Annackers. "Cutting" might be code for Cottons / Cottins, but there is a Cutting surname (fretty in colors reversed from the same of Cottins) listed with Cuttins, first found in the same place (Norfolk) as SAWyers, and Fulke's/Folks. We get it. Hamiltons definitely appear to have been closely related to Cottian-Alp liners.
There is a Saw surname listed with Shaws, the ones using a version of the Comyns Coat and Crest (both use "daggers" in Crest). As these Shaws are Stick liners, note that Sticks (Traby kin) share the gold scallop with Daggers and the Cutting Chief. The Blythe's use gold garbs, the Comyns symbol. We find another red bull in the Dagger Crest, and it happens to be the Borgia bull, important because John de Burgo ruled Comyns and Conteville while Conti's and Ville's were both first found in the same place (Languedoc) as Cottins. As Comyns use the Joseph garbs, note that Joseph-beloved Charo's use the red bull too. Dagger use a "Forte" motto term while Italian Forts were first found in the same place as Charo's. As the latter were also Claro's, the surname of Rollo's bloodline, note that Rollo's/Rollocks, first found in the same place as Saws/Shaws, use "fortuna" in their motto.
Not only do the Blythe and Cole rivers meet at the Coleshill location, but "By 1066 [Coleshill] was a Royal Manor held by King Edward the Confessor and is recorded in the Domesday Book of 1086 as land held by William the Conqueror. Henry II granted the manor to the de CLINTON family, then it passed to the de Montford's..." That can explain why Bill Clinton's mother married both a Blythe and a Clinton. Clicking the Montford link: "Simon de Montford was an English nobleman who had the manor of Coleshill passed onto him from the de Clinton family." This proves that the Bus / Hamilton cinquefoil is the one in the Arms of Leicester (for Montforts ruled Leicestershire). Clintons use fitchees.
The Angers/Lange's may be using a pale (vertical) version of the Stewart Coat, for not only do I trace "Alan/Aleng" to "Langhe" at the Monforte / Montferrat theater, but Plancia Magna is expected to have had descendants in Angers / Anjou while Plunkets were first found in Villaine, where the Dol part of Brittany sits. The Villains (same place as Fulke's and Flecks) share the TANNER Shield, and Langhe is on the Tanaro river.
Aha! The Angerfields (from CONTENtin of Manche) were just found by loading "Danger," and the Angerfield Coat is the giant Bus / Blank cinquefoil = the Hamilton cinquefoil! The green Leslie griffin head is in the Angerfield Crest while Leslie's share a "fast" motto term with Greys (Fortuna kin). Greys use "Anchor fast anchor" as a motto, and have been suspect with Grimaldi's. This is mentioned because Coleshill is where GRIMstock hill is located. As Grimaldi's became suspect as a Grey-Mallet combination, note that Hamilton-beloved Cuttings/Cuttins have a scallop in Mallet-scallop colors. The Mallet motto uses "force d'en haut" while Belows use "tout d'en haut." "Haut" is likely code for the Hauteville > Tancred > Guiscard line, for while Mallets are said to descend from Mercians, Guiscards apparently honor the Mercians in their "mercy" motto term. Plus, Tancreds are a branch of TANKERville's (rhymes with "Danger") that once again use the Hamilton cinquefoils. Recall the Dench's.
Therefore, Tankerville's (TANERdevilla) were Angerfield/ANGERVILLE liners, clearly. This is an important revelation tracing Tancreds to Anker liners. Suddenly, the Tankerville Shield (white-on-red escutcheon) looks like a version of the Shield of Major-loving Geddes'...whom I trace to the white-on-red square in the Arms of Placentia. It just so happens that Square's/Squirrels share the red squirrel with the other Daggers.
There is a question, ultimately, on whether Anger / Anker / Hanger / Hank liners should all trace to Langhe while Tancreds were Tanaro-river liners. A good argument here is where Guido Guerra III married a daughter of William V of Montferrat while Hanks use the same bendy as Guerra's. This Montferrat family produced the Alice-of-Saluzzo family mentioned earlier. Saluzzo is not far from the Tanaro river. Cutters use the Shield-and-Chief color combination of Saluzzo's in colors reversed.
The Tankerville Coat is a version of the Chamberlain Coat, and the latter should trace to the namers of Chambre, on the Arc river along with Modane. The Touts, who are in the Rollo motto as well as in "tout d'en haut" of a Cottin-related family, use crescents in colors reversed from the Deins/Dean crescents so that "d'en" becomes suspect with Dean liners. The Tout crescent is in the colors of the same of French Masseys/Masse's, first found in Savoy, location of the Arc river. The Masseys/Masse's use a "TREE without leaves" so as to link to the same family as the Ankers.
As the Anker ship has linked solidly to Skiptons, we now go to Skiptons, who share the purple lion with Wrens, the latter traceable to RENfrew, home of the first Hamiltons (i.e. who use Anker symbols). Touts were first found in the same place as Skiptons. The latter trace to general Scipio (before 200 BC), the Roman general at the war of Trebbia, and known founder of Placentia. Scipio pre-dates the seven heads of the Revelation dragon. The Meschins, who married Skiptons, and Mieske's/Mesechs (probably the black Cole bull) are expected to be from the old, Biblical Meshech, and Comerfords were likely of Gomer. Tubal, they say, was partly responsible for the formation of Romans long before Scipio. Chamberlains were likely another Gomer line if it's true what many say, that Gomer became the Cimmerians, known founders of Cambria- / Cimbri-like terms. For whatever reason, the Welsh Cymbri came to use a red dragon, but there were Cymbri also in proto-Denmark. King Arthur belonged to the Cymbri dragon, and was code for the Arduinici of Ivrea. Therefore, note how Mr. Skeets' email can link to Waleran of Yvery, and that the Waleran surname uses black bull heads, the Mieske symbol too.
Mr Skeets' Emails
I'm going to start with most of his latest email of June 1:
I have found a HUGE clue!For the longest time I have felt that the greyhound of the Schutz surname is not really a greyhound. It has always looked like a talbot dog in my opinion. Then, you told me the Scott surname can be gleaned as a version of one of the Talbot coats. Which means the Balliol and Talbot families of Normandy are connected. On top of that, my y-dna matches the Talbot surname. As well as the Hamiltons as you know. Two confirmed Norman families.
What the real kicker is, is the fact that the Talbot family in England stem from a Hugues d'Eu. Son of Guillaume de Normandie. Son of Richard the Fearless.
This Hugues d'Eu has the Count of Eu coat. Which was passed on through Godfrey de Brionne, another son of Richard. Aka, Gilbert Crispin. I share y-dna with the Crispins.
This Brionne family is tied to the Beaumonts, Montforts, and Hamiltons. That means the Brionnes, Talbots, Beamonts, Balliols, Scotts, Crispins, and more families must have been VERY familiar with one another. All possibly stemming from Bernard the Dane and the House of Normandy. Maybe Bernard the Dane was a close relative of Rollo? I will look into it...
Not many weeks ago, he discovered that the Arms of Eu use the Nassau Coat, and months earlier had found that German Schutz's were vassals of Nassau's. And not many days ago, he found an Arms of Beaumont that seems to be a replica of the Arms of Nassau, except that it substitutes gold-on-blue fleur-de-lys on the entire Shield for the gold-on-blue billets that fill the Nassau / Eu Shield, and here he has found the Beaumont link to Eu's talbots.
I looked into Hugh de Eu, son of the Norman, William de Eu, a so-called bastard; he pre-dated William the Conqueror. I'm not yet sure, but William de Eu may have married Miss Talbot in order for Hugh to have that surname, or William's mother may have been a Talbot. Apparently, William's mother is unknown. It should be added here that we are both confident that Danes and Normans were from Rhodes, and that one of his other main lines is a Rhodian one. Cimmerians were from Rhodes, and the Rhodes' were first found in the same place as IVO Taillebois (IVERY-honoring name?), and in fact the Taillbois/Tailboys saltire is probably a version of the engrailed Rhodes saltire, which, if correct, tends to reveal that the four lions around the Rhodes cross are the Talbot lion in colors reversed. If not mistaken, it was Ivo's daughter (Lucy) who married Ranulf le Meschin, and the latter's brother married Skiptons.
I'd like to add that Talbots were resolved not many months ago as Dogs/Doags (same place as Rollo's), which can explain why an heraldic talbot is a dog. The Dogs are said to be from a Cadog character, which was part of the reason for tracing the Talbot Shield to the Chaddock / Chadwick Shield. A version of the Talbot / Chaddock Coat is used by Tankerville's and Chamberlains (the latter claim descent from Tankerville's). The Chambre's happen to share a Shield filled with gold-on-blue fleur with Beaumonts, and they can easily be the same-colored fleur of MontGOMERys.
Tankerville's share the Hamilton cinquefoil, and are expected as a branch of Tanners, probably from "the tanner" of Falaise, the father of the mother of William the Conqueror. Meulan, where Beaumonts ruled, is always said to be in Normandy, but I've just learned that it's in Ile de France, the northern part of Paris, where Chappes' and Levi's were first found, and there is even a La Falaise location at Ile de France. This becomes huge because Waleran of Yvery, whose mother was the daughter of Robert Beaumont of Meulan, was a Lovel/Leavell. The Waleran Coat has a black tiger in Crest which I trace to Tigranes Maccabee, ancestor of Julius Alexander, whose daughter (Julia) married QUADratus, and then the three black-on-white bull heads of Walerans look like a version of the three black-on-white wolf heads of QUADE's. Quadratus' daughter, Quadratilla, married Lupus Laevillus, whom I trace to Leavells/Lovells (said to be from a wolf term, Lupellus, but I think it's more-directly from "Laevillus"), you see. It works excellently.
Walerans are a topic as per the discovery, last night, that Hugh de Eu married Marie of Meulan, daughter of Waleran III of Meulan (see also Wikipedia's article on Meulan). I don't yet know why Waleran of Yvery has the same name, but he was neither Waleran II of Meulan nor Waleran I of Meulan. Robert Beaumont had a son, Waleran IV of Meulan. Clearly, Waleran of Yvery was of these Waleran characters, or related to them via Robert Beaumont.
Waleran III married Oda of Conteville, sister of Herluin de Conteville, the latter being one who married "the tanner's" daughter (yes the mother of the Conqueror). At Oda's page, you can see that her father was John de Burgo, and so let's add that Burghs/Berks, known to be from John de Burgo, share the Morency cross while MontMorency is likewise at the Ile-de-France theater. Plus, these Berks may have named Berkshire, where Modens/Modeys and Arcs were first found that trace to the Arc river, location of Chambre. Plus, Modens may have been a branch of Medleys, the latter sharing a tiger in Crest with Walerans. One of the most-important tigers is that of Habs/HOBs, for TIGRanes was married to OPgalli.
Mr. Skeets wrote in one day saying that he had found a raven near Stuttgart, and while I can't recall the details, he was fishing around the Stuttgart area for his Schutz line. That is, he is convinced that Skeets' (share the potent cross of Chads) were of the German Schutz's. The raven was used by vikings having a STOUT surname, you see, which I expect from Stuttgart. Then, last night, at a page for Marie of Meulan, it was found that said was mother of Jeanne Talbot de STUTEville. It turned out that Stuteville's/ESTOUTville's share the Schutz saltire on one half their Shield, and what must be the Tailbois saltire on the other half! Zinger. Note that the Schutz greyhound head is black with a gold color, like the Quade wolf heads. The QUID variation is CETis-important because KIDDS (tree) use an "orbem" motto term as code for Orba, where Cetis/CITis is located. Quadratilla was of the rulers of Cetis (Cilicia). As you can see, the Kidd Coat is a version of the Watt / Vatt Coats, and Quade's list "Wade."
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Meulan-20Plus, the Stuteville Shield is split in half in both colors of the same of Foix's, first found in Ile de France. This can identify Foix's with the Vaux's, for the latter use a Shield filled with gold-on-red checks, the symbol of the Arms of Meulan. Vaux's list a ValliBUS surname. I read that Valibus' were Wells, and that a Well family was at the Bec Abbey, which works because German Wells share the pelican with DeVAUX's and Becks. Stuteville's are said to have controlled a Rames castle on the west of BolBEC (see Bolbec in the talbot write-up), and descended from Herluin, first abbot of Bec Abbey. Herluin's brother, Roger, has the same name as Roger Beaumont (father of Robert Beaumont of Meulan), son of Humphrey de VIEILLES, a good reason to trace Valibus' and Wells to Humphrey (a Harcourt Dane from Torville/Torcy). Hugh de Eu had married Lesceline of Harcourt, daughter of the Montforts (suspect from Monforte and Montferrat at the Tanaro river). Harcourts (probably the Washington bars in gold), I've only just realized, are said to have been of ANKERwyche House. Harcourts were from Harcourt in Eure, near the Touques river, location of proto-Washington Gace (Gace's/Wassa's probably share the MODburley canton).
Lesceline was of MontDIDier. It reminds me of the DITTmayers that list a Diem surname looked up initially as per the "diem" motto term of TEEGERs/Teague's. The latter are the ones with the "OPtem" motto term suspect as part-code for OPgalli, wife of Teeger-like Tigranes. Teegers have been traced with Touque's/Tucks/Tooks to the Toques river, location of Lisieux. Hugh de Eu was himself a bishop of Lisieux. The Ditts/Diots happen to use a black (stripe-less) TIGER!!! The black Waleran tiger is likewise stripe-less, but you can verify that they are tigers by entering their surnames here:
http://www.free-coat-of-arms.com/Ditts/Diots are said to be from Litchfield (Staffordshire), home of St. Chad.
Why do Walerans describe their Crest like so: "A black heraldic tiger platé"? I don't recall any other description using "heraldic." The Haralds/Herods happen to list "Hurl," suggesting now that Haralds/Herods and Herls/Hurls (same fesse as Meschins) were related to Herluin of Stuteville. But for the past few months, I've been tracing Haralds/Herods to Harald, father of king Maccus the viking. The latter had been involved in talks with Saxons in Cheshire, where the first Meschin would rule. This first Meschin was a grandson of Emma de Conteville, daughter of Herluin de Conteville mentioned above. Plus, the first Meschin was a son of a sister of Hugh LUPUS, a good reason now to trace him to the line of Lupus Laevillus. The Quade's share their black wolf heads with Maccus-suspect Mackays, and then Mackeys/Margys happen to use the raven! Bingo.
German Rothes show a raven alone. English Rothes were first found in the same place (Shropshire) as Talbots and Meschins. One of the Meschins married the royal family of Duncan, and while Duncans are also Donkeys, both Chamberlain surnames use a donkey in Crest. The Duncans (share the Chamberlain chevron) are yet another family using the Tankerville / Hamilton / Bus / Leicester cinquefoil, and it's used also by Bacons, suggesting that Bacons (Beck colors) were a Beck branch, of the namers of Bec Abbey. And while Chamberlains use the Chaddock / Talbot eSCUTcheon, Duncans were also DunCHADS, and known by me to trace to St. Chad (not sure if he was real or mythical), the owner of the potent cross of Chads.
Duncans use "A ship under sail," very traceable to Durants and the Sale's/Salletts/Sails i.e. to the Durance river, location of Briancon, possible origin of Brionne (city in Eure). A Brion surname (Kidd hunting horn?) is listed with English and Irish Brians, the English branch first found in the same place (Denbighshire) as Bachs. The Brions may be using the Duncan hunting horn because both surnames can trace to the Briancon-Modane theater. Hugh de Eu was a brother of Constance de Brionne. Waleran IV, count of Meulan and Leicester, is said to have owned the Brionne castle.
Alternatively, there is a Bray/BRAI location near Evreux (in Eure) that can reveal the origin of BRIonne. A Bra location (at the Monforte theater) on the Tanaro river can apply here because there is a Brai location in Falaise, according to the write-up of Brays (flax breaker in Crest). Eure is the location of Louviers (home of Tosni's), and then the Louviers surname uses the Meulan checks as well as what must be the Lupellus=Leavell wolf. It's in black-on-white, the colors of the Quade wolf.
Harcourts share the Bennett / Benedict motto, and the latter two are expected from the Pierleoni Jews of Rome.
I'm glad that Mr. Skeets brought up the Eu links to Talbots. I rarely load Talbots so that I had forgotten their write-up's trace to Eu. It wasn't anything burned in my brain. We are still both looking for the origin of "Eu." He had remarked about a Dudo Henry character of Nassau, afterwhich I found a Dudo of Eu relations. The Dudleys can apply, who share the Louvain lion, and then Dudley is in Worcestershire while Waleran IV was the first earl of Worcestershire. The Dudley / Louvain lion happens to be colors reversed from the Nassau lion. Duttons, interestingly enough, use the Berkshire Coat. The Louvain lion is known to have been adopted by Percys (share a string of lozenges with Whelans), and Waleran of Yvery was a Percival, from his father:
Waleran...eldest son of William Gouel de Perceval, surnames Lupellus, and of Auberie de Bellemonte, daughter of Robert, earl of Mellent [Meulan], his Wife, succeed his father in the estate of Yvery...he appears to have been lord of Yvery, and to have held for himself in the Ballywick of TincheBRAI...Auberie is in the Wikipedia article for Robert Beaumont, but she is not listed as Gouel's wife (he's also "Goel"). However, Auberie's sister, Maud, is shown married to William Lovel (surname listed with Leavells, said to be from Mr. Percival of Yvery). The page below says that Waleran of Yvery was the son of Maud de Beaumont (half sister of the Warenne's), same as the Maud above. The Maud surname may apply if it's using the Talbot lion.
https://www.geni.com/people/Galeran-Waleran-I-d-Ivry/6000000001102122139The Leavell write-up traces to ancestry in Robert of Breherval (Eure), and therefore to the dukes of Brittany, which should explain why the Dol surname has a whale. This Robert was husband to a woman from Gallardon...in Eure-et-Loir, location of Dreux, meaning that the Talbot Crest may have the Dreux lion. "Breherval" seems to be the same term as "Breval." "Breherval" may have been a Bray-Herval combo; Hervals are listed with Harveys, kin, in my strong opinion, of Bellamys, which is able to reveal that the Belmont variation of Beaumonts was a Bellamy line. "Gallardon" may be related to "Galeran/Waleran."
French Gallards happen to use ravens in the colors of the same of Corbetts. This recalls that Waleran of Yvery is now expected to be of the Maccus vikings, now looking like the Stout-raven vikings. I didn't know yet, while writing the two sentences above, that Wikipedia's article on the raven banner of vikings has the Arms of the Isle of Man with a raven supporter. The Wikipedia writer goes into all sorts of possible raven symbolism, stressing Odin's ravens primarily, but aren't ravens a symbol of theft, the rudimentary symbol of viking pirates? The article includes: "The raven banner was used by a number of Viking warlords regarded in Norse tradition as the sons of the Danish Ragnar Lodbrok." This is the Lothbrok introduced to me by Mr. Skeets, whom is a topic later in this update. The article goes on: "Many of the Norse-Gaelic dynasts in Britain and Ireland were of the Uí Ímair clan [included Maccus], which claimed descent from Ragnar Lodbrok through his son Ivar." I didn't know of this link of Maccus to the raven vikings until now, years after mentioning the raven vikings. I've never stressed Lothbrok; his name is not coming up in any of my files.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_bannerThe Mellent variation of "Meulan" necessitates entertaining the Mellent surname. One of the two is listed with Scottish Milans/Millens, known to be using the BUCHanan lion, yet it's also the Italian-Conte lion while VisCONTI's ruled Milan. Buchanans are expected to be the namers of Buchan (Aberdeenshire), and then it's notable that while the Waleran tiger looks like it was once a black lion (before merger with a Teeger line, I assume), Buchanans and Buchans both use black lions, Buchans using three of them in the colors and format of the Quade wolf heads and Waleran bull heads. Moreover, Buckleys share the bull head with Walerans in colors reversed.
Buckley are traced to a EWlow manor, wherefore compare the Buckley Coat to that of YEOmans/YOEmans. Was this the makings, or part, of the Eu entity? Just a shot in the dark.
Let's back up to May 26, when Mr. Skeets sent in a Beaumont surprise:
John! Look at this! I have been digging further into my genetic link to the Hamiltons. I share the exact same male dna as their main line that descends from Walter fitz Gilbert. It is said they share blood with the Beaumont family. Who descend from Bernard the Dane. Also, possibly with the Umfraville family that were also Normans. Check this out! The 'Baron Beaumont' title first held by the Beaumonts in England, are said to be a branch of the 'de Brienne' family. In Normandy, Brionne is in Eure, on the Eure river. Smacks of Eu right? Here is the real kicker: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Beaumont. Look at their heraldry. Almost identical to the Counts of Eu and Nassau. I will keep digging. Had to tell you before I forgot. God bless.Upon loading that page, the Arms were a little different than the Beaumont Coat at houseofnames. There was no real way to prove that the Nassau lion was the Beaumont lion until Mr. Skeets sent this page. And it works well due to Beaumont links to Eu. Orange-Nassau has to do with Orange, a location near the mouth of the Durance. Brians, from Briancon up the Durance, share the hunting horn with rulers of Orange. Thus, Brienne and Brionne are suspect from Durance-river liners, and into Orange. Likely, the hunting horn is part-code for Orne elements of Normandy, and so compare "ORNE" with "ORANge." Horns use the Orne Coat.
My understanding is that Eu is in Orne. Typical of Wikipedia articles of counts and dukes of various places, the dope who wrote the article on the counts of Eu didn't tell the reader where Eu is located. Dope! Apparently, it's in Heimes, which, if I recall correctly, is a part of Orne in central Normandy. The Montgomery family ruled Heimes.
Compare the Arms of Beaumont above to this Chambre Coat ("nos"), and trace to Chambre and/or nearby Chambray. They both use fleur-de-lys in the colors used typically by French royals, and said to trace to king Clovis.
Emailer Pollock caught sight of the strings on the Pollock hunting horn looking like a bee (from the backside in flight). This turned out to be a remarkable observation. Note that the Orne river flows into the Bessin, for Bessins use bees. At one time, the German Talls showed the bee design of Bessins, but the Tall bees were changed after I mentioned that Basina, from Thuringia, where Talls were first found, was the reason for "Bessin," for Basina's husband, king Childeric, had gold bees in his tomb. Talls share the bend of Talbots, you see. Therefore, Talbot / Tailbois liners are expected from the Merovingians, who ruled out of Paris long before the Normans appeared in Normandy (first settled to the immediate west of Paris). The Horns / Orne's / Herons use three herons in the colors of the three CHILD eagles. Amazingly, Pollocks are said by others to be from Clovis, Basina's son with CHILDeric. The Orne river is shown on this map of Normandy:
http://www.tribwatch.com/mapNormandy.pngThis bears repeating that Basina (5th century AD) is expected to trace to Bassianus', and a little earlier to the Bassus'; one of the latter was the Quadratus under discussion. He was a grandson of SEVERus Bassus, and then SAFFERs use birds (falcons) in the colors of the Child eagles. While Duncans use a "ship under SAIL," while Merovingian and Salian Franks trace to the Salyes on the Durance, note that the Duncan (Dunchad) motto is translated, "Learn to SUFFER." Duncans trace with their Chamberlain kin to the Modane / Briancon theater, right? There is a question here on whether DunCHADs were QUADE liners from Quadratus, but in any case the Quadratilla-Laevillus line through Waleran of Yvery can go through the Merovingians before linking to Normans. While Merovingians traced themselves to a Quinotaur sea-bull (probably the Turano > Turin > Durance > Thuringia line), Walerans use the bull. Prior to being in Paris, the first Merovingians were at TOURNai, and it just so happens that Childeric was the first historical Merovingian.
French Saffers use FIVE (= quino) birds suspect with Quintus Caepio, and then Quints share blue vair fur with English Saffers/Savarys. The latter's "vita" motto term (see Bellows too) is a give-away for Julius Avitus (2nd century), husband of Julia Bassianus, tending to prove that the Bassus' evolved into Bassianus'. I kid you not, English Saffers use "A HERON's head holding an olive branch in its beak". Spanish Olive's use an owl traceable to Kos, the island of mythical Merops (ancient bee theme), the root of Merovee, the mythical founder of Merovingians. The other Olive's are suspect with the Schutz greyhound. Likewise using blue vair fur are the Bachs, first found in the same place as Scottish Chambers' (Talbot lion?). The Chambers Crest is now showing as the bird design of French Saffers, yet Chambers call it an eagle.
http://www.free-coat-of-arms.com/There is also a French Savary/Savard surname using BESANts, and then the Arms of Orange use what could be besants. There is even a Salford surname that lists "Savard" which can be using the black Quade / Louviers wolf. Orange is now in Vaux-like VAUCluse, hmm. "The name Vaucluse derives from the Latin Vallis Clausa (closed valley)..." Can that be the reason for the Valibus/Vaux surname. After all, the French Vaux's/Bellivaux's share billets with the house of Orange-Nassau. Note that the first ruler of Orange was Bertrand of BAUX!
I think I can glean that the Arms of Vaucluse are using the keys in saltire of Clermonts (Dauphine = Vaucluse theater) whom I see as kin of Claviere's (see key of Clavers/Cleavers). Claviere's were first found in the same place as Baux's (ram). The latter are listed with Bauds that I trace to the Bautica river, location of Ivrea. Avignon, near Orange, uses keys in its Arms typical of Vatican keys.
So far as I can make out, the Claviere Coat is using the Saffer falcon design exactly, both on red Shields! The Claviere description page doesn't mention the Coat shown at houseofnames, but describes another Coat using FOUR keys (could be code for QUADratus) around a saltire in the colors of the Claremont saltire. Claviere's were first found in the same place as same-colored Bouillons and FOX-using Fes'. Walerans use a "vos" motto term that can be code for a Vaux-possible surname such as the fox-using Vos' (Orange colors). The Nassau-related Bellows = Billets are the ones with a black fox head suspect with the black Quade wolf head.
http://www.free-coat-of-arms.com/It looks like things in relation to Orange are tracing to Quadratus Bassus. As Orange is near Vienne, where Herod Archelaus was banished, let's repeat that his surname was from GLAPHYRa Archelaus, his wife, for I've been tracing her first name to CLAVERs/Cleavers and Cliffs/Cleave's for a long time. Note that Cliffords are sharing "paratus" with the Swords, for the latter have a Clavin variation that I've been tracing to the Glavins/Lavans who list a Hand surname! Therefore, the Claviere hand must be code for Irish Hands, and Glavins / Clavins look like a branch of Claviere's.
AMAZING. While Mr. Skeets just asked me yesterday whether I know the Lennox surname (swords in saltire!), it happens to show a LEVENax variation (i.e. like the Lavan of Glavins) while using the Claviere saltire in colors reversed! Here's what he wrote: "Have you ever come across the Lennox surname? It is Scottish. Their motto is 'I'll defend' it has always rang a bell in my mind, because Schutzen is German for 'guard and protect' as well as 'defend.'"
It just so happens that the Sword write-up traces "Clavin" to "CLAIMhin", and then entering "Clermonts" (with the 's') gets the CLEMents! I don't know why I've missed this for so long; Clements have always been a mystery to me as per their derivation, and here it seems they were Sword kin. Recently, I was proposing their trace to Clementiana, daughter of Drusilla Agrippa. The latter was the wife of Sohaemus, a high priest of El-Gabal. Julius Bassianus was later a high priest of the same cult. Clements/Clermonts' share the Clair BESANTs (Bassianus symbol, right?) in Chief. Doesn't it make a lot of sense to trace Clementiana to the same line as Glaphyra Archelaus since both women were involved with Herods? Glaphyra's family was high priest to a cult not far from the El-Gabal cult.
The items that I'm viewing as besants in the Arms of Vaucluse and Arms of Orange look much like the pomegranates of Grazio's, first found in the same place (Perusia) as Ottone's, the latter suspect with the name of Otto I, son of Henry the Fowler. Note that the Grazio's share the black Kopple / Aiken rooster, and that Bible's/Bibo's use a rooster too, for Bibo's are suspect with VIBia Varia, mother of Lupus Laevillus. GRAZio-like CRISpins use pomegranates too, and while Crispins of Eu are known to have been from Clare's, we just saw Vaucluse tracing to CLERmonts. Crispins had a CREPey location, and show several Crep-using variations that can suggest Herod Agrippa, whose line is expected to have named Julius Agrippa, uncle of the Bassianus'. As per Berenice Agrippa, the Bernice's and Burns share the hunting horn with the rulers of Orange.
The Arms of Siegen has a Catholic clergyman holding a crozier and what ought to be a Bible. Croziers were first found in the same place (Auvergne) as Claviere's. Crozier's/Crossiers (large besant) are expected to be a branch of Cross'/Croce's (potent cross of the style used by Chads), and then a crossbow is used by Schutz-suspect Stuteville's (Levenax saltire?). If Stuteville's were of Stuttgart, note that while Rothes use the raven, Siegerland and Sunderland are at a Rothaar mountain system (includes Hesse theater). There is a Sieg river in Siegerland, and there is also a Jewish Sieg surname using SCYTHES on a green Shield (color of the Bauer, Bower, Burley Shield), while Scythe's are listed with Skeets' (potent cross in the colors of the same of Cross'/Croce's). German Siegs/Siegenhovens are using a fesse in colors reversed to the Bernice fesse. The Cross'/Croce's use a stork, symbol of the Oettingen-Oettingen line to crozier-using Odins.
Clermonts use "Saint Pierre" holding keys in Crest. That must be code for Pierre's (same lion as Orange-Nassau, without billets), who happen to have Parez-like variations, important because Crispins were from Parez. The Pierre Coat is a gold-on-blue bend, almost the white-on-blue bend of pomegranate Crispins. Two Peter surnames use the same bend as Pierre's. The latter's Pierres variation smacks of Piers de Gaveston in the write-up of CLIFfords, and of course this can go to Pierce's/Piers, first found in the same place as Percivals and Leavells. Moreover, Peare's/Pearls were first found in the same place (Oxfordshire) as English Crispins. Cliffords are the ones who share "PARATtus" (a Peter-possible term) with Swords, and the latter use a "pommel," perhaps code for the same bloodline as "pomegranate." The PARRAT/Parrot surname uses the "Amo" motto term of Scotts, and the Parrat/Parrot pears are used by Abbotts, the latter first found in the same place as English Crispins. The Scotts are said to have lived in Roxburgh, where Scottish Leavells were first found, and then gold billets are in the Arms of Roquefeuil.
To this it can be added that the Arms of Vaucluse use quadrants half in the colors of the Petty quadrants, and fully in the colors of the Comfort/Comerford (peacock) quadrants. As Pettys (parrots) were merged with Rothschilds, note that the first Rothschild lived in Frankfurt, about 60 miles from Siegen, the latter being a Nassau area. It just so happens that German Siegers/Segers/Sagars (central besant) use the same quadrants as Pettys.
It definitely appeared that Swords -- aka Siward of Northumberland -- linked up with Clavier / Clermont elements. As SCHUTZ's are also "Shutz," while Shute's (possible Suderland liners) use the Sword swords, note that English Hands (hands) are using the brown stag of "Amo"-using SCOTTs. If you look into "Siward," the term, you will find that it was earlier a Sieger-like term, yet "Savard" comes to mind too. The lion in the Arms of Orange-Nassau holds a sword, and Siegers share wings in Crest with Swords. Mr. Skeets expects the Schutz's in Siegerland somewhere. Siegers use a central besant on a cross within an eSCUTcheon. NorthUMBERland is in the general area of CUMBERland, the latter where Burns and Bernice's were first found, and these places can trace to "UMBRia," where Grazio's were first found. Barneys use both the key and the sword. Siward was called, Sigurd digri = Sigurd the stout, by some writers, perhaps because they knew he was related to the other Sigurd the Stout, the one with the raven banner.
German Suders/Sutters use Zionists stars in colors reversed from the same of Bernice's. The Bernice stars are in the colors of the Sieger roses, and then the same-colored Rose's (Nairn) share the water bouget with Bernice's. Bernice's have a "perSEVERantia" motto term, probably part-code for Rants/Rands (boar head in Crest) that use three chevrons in colors reversed from the same of Waters i.e. suspect with the water bouget of Bernice's. The Rant/Rand lion is in the colors of the Rose boar head, both in the colors of the Orange hunting horn. The Dude's/Doughtie's share the black Zionist star with Bernice's, and that surname might just be from Dudo Henry, founder of Nassau.
The white boar head of Rants/Rands is suspect with the Molle boar head, for Eschyna de Molle (line to Jacques de Molay) married Mr. Croce. We saw Croce's above in the same paragraph as Rothschild suspects, and while Rothschilds were from Pollocks, Eschyna's daughter married Robert Pollock, the second Pollock. Rothschild's are said to be named after "red Shield," and then "Schutz" means "shield," explaining why an eSCUTcheon is a shield. The Arms of Rothschild has an escutcheon at its center. Rants/Rands are likely the Randolphs that list Ruths/Rothers (red Shield with a single chevron in the colors of the three of Rands). This is a mainline Obama bloodline.
Without going into the reasons, the water bouget traces to Bouchard II, founder of Montmorency. Mr. Skeets showed me the Boucher/Bechards saltire yesterday, colors reversed from the Schutz/Shutz saltire. Suddenly, it appears that Schutz / Skeets liners named Suderland (not necessarily named after "south land"). See also the eSCUTcheon-using and Sarah-suspect Sewers (listed with Suters/Shuters), likely named after Sawyers, the latter first found in the same place (Norfolk) as Rands, Seagars and Fulke's/Folks ("Qui sera sera" motto). Fulke's use the spear of Shakespeare's, and the latter use a "Sanz" motto term.
For the first time, I've just realized that German elements of Sauerland, to the immediate north of Siegen, named Scotland's Sutherland area. Wikipedia says that Sauerland was originally, "Suderland," a term is listed with the Scottish Sutherland surname. This in itself is not sufficient to clinch a link between the two areas, but Suderlands/Sutherlands use a "Sans" motto term while the Sans surname shares a gold-on-blue spread eagle with German Siegers. If that's not enough to tweak your curiosity, the Sans' (Spanish) are listed with SANGuez' while I've been tracing Seagers to "SAKARya," a river of Phrygia that was also the SANGarius. This is more amazing because Akmonia, home of Severus Bassus, was near this river. It could very well be that the Sans'/Sanguez's' were SEPHARdic Jews (homeland mainly in Spain) named after SEVERus-Bassus liners.
I think it has been established that Claviere's are using the Saffer falcon. The line of Severus Bassus even married the line of Glaphyra Archelaus (she was Tigranes' grandmother). I would suggest, as per the "libera" motto of English Saffers, that Chambers are using the Lieber fesse. I trace the oak theme of Liebers and Aikens to Akmonia. The Ackmans/Aikmans, in Lieber / Aiken colors and likewise using the oak theme, share a red bend with French Chambre's. Note that Lieber-like Levers share the rooster with Aikens, or that rooster-using Gays were first found in the same place (Savoy) as Chambre. Recall the rooster of Bibo's, black like the Aiken rooster, a surname suspect with Vibia Varia, mother of Lever-possible Laevillus (married Quadratilla Bassus)
The Lieber bend could be the Turin/THURIN bend because both surnames were first found in the same area of Scotland. The Turin/Thurin motto looks linkable to bee-using English Forts; the motto includes "fortuna," and Fortuna's use a talbot dog. Talbots are from the bee-using Talls/Thals of THURINgia, right? The Merovingian > Carolingian line would later rule at AACHEN.
The oak-tree Aikens (Ackman branch likely from the Robertian royals = Capetian Franks), first found in the GLASow area, are traceable by their black rooster, the Kopple rooster, to Koplik/Cupionich, at the east side of lake SCODra. The Aikens are traced to Atkyn de Barr, and then there is a Bar location on the west side of lake Scodra. I was unable to locate the CLAUSula river, but I read that Koplik was upon it. I had traced KLASSens to the namers of the Clausula, and they are the ones with "Lady Fortune," so that it appears a tight case to trace Aikens to Koplik and/or the Clausula. The Clauds/Clots (acorns, oak-tree seeds), sharing a blue Shield with Klassens, have a Clausula-like Clausel variation. Clovis was born, CLODEvech. The bishop of BESANcon is in the Claud write-up. The Besancon/Basset surname shares billets with Nassau's. The Aikens use an "oak tree PROPER," and Propers/Robins (same fesse as Liebers) show a Robert variation.
Scottish Barrs, first found in the general area of the Aikens, share the white spread eagle with Childs, and the Barr eagle is known to be the Este eagle while Este ancestry is known to be Frankish. The other Barrs use hunting horns (Orange symbol), and we saw why Horns/Herons should link to Childs. Not far south from Bar and Scodra, there lived the TAULantii Illyrians / Albanians that may have named the Talls of Thuringia, for while both SCOTT Coats are versions of both TALbot Coats, Scotts can trace to "SCODra." The Cavii who lived between the Taulantii and Scodra trace with Chives' (use the Mathis cross) to Chivasso, at Turin, and the Lissus location (near Mathis river, not the Mat) of the Cavii has been resolved with the Lys/Lisse surname (greyhounds) that traces to the fleur-de-lys of king Clovis. It appears that the Lys greyhound is very linkable to the Schutz greyhound, and the nearness of Scodra to the Taulantii can explain why the Schutz greyhound has a talbot-dog look.
Having said all that, let's go to Quintus Caepio and his granddaughter that had a long sexual affair with Julius Caesar. Caepio is the Roman general implied in the quote below. In 106 BC, six years before the birth of Caesar, Caepio found a vast treasure (included 50,000 gold bars and some silver bars) in Toulouse. The following year, he was at war with king Boiorix in Orange, a place that was then called Arausio. It stands to reason that some of the Toulouse tressure was brought to Orange, and that Boiorix knew it. "The Celtic settlement of Arausio (cf. the local Celtic water god Arausio), existed on the site [of Orange]; a major battle, which is generally known as the Battle of Arausio, was fought in 105 BC between two Roman armies and the Cimbri and Teutones tribes. Arausio was refounded in 35 BC [nine years after Caesar's death] and settled by veterans of the Second Gallica Roman legion as Colonia Julia Firma Secundanorum Arausio in full, 'the Julian colony of Arausio established by the soldiers of the second legion'." Boiorix belonged to the Cimbri, possibly from Kamiros on Rhodes, expected with Redones on the Rhodanus river, location of Orange. As per the salaMANDER below, note that Manders use a version of the Rhodes Coat.
The reason that Nassau's use gold billets = gold bars, I can assume, is because they are a symbol the Caepio treasure at Orange. However, the house of Nassau didn't merge with Orange until hundreds of years after Nassau was using the billets, according to Mr. Skeets, who says that the Arms of Nassau existed as early as the 13th century. I assume the billets were included in those early Arms, but don't know for certain. Mr. Skeets is of the opinion that the billets were in the Arms of Eu before Nassau adopted the Eu symbol, which can suggest that the Orange elements which had the treasure moved to Eu. It just so happens that Eu is in Orange-like Orne, no guff. This discussion will be continued below when I get to the Messei location of the Eu area.
The point here is that Sagans/Segans use the salamander-in-flames of English Julians, the latter first found in the same place (Cambridge) as JUNE's and Caepio-suspect Capone's. Caepio's granddaughter, Servilia Caepionis, had married the JUNius family, you see, so that the offspring of Julius Caesar with Servilia Caepionis are expected in Cambridge. The Sagan link to Julians suggest that the Julian tressure was in Siegen, you see. I assume that when Caesar convinced Servilia to give up the secret location of the Orange tressure, she and her family had gotten a piece of it. The re-founding of Arausio a few years after Caesar's death, by the next emperor (Augustus), speaks feasibly to the treasure. Various motives are possible for this location's re-build. Hesse-Nassau is a Prussian province, and Sagans were first found in Prussia.
As Julius Caesar's mother was Aurelia Cotta (partly of the Rutili of Ardea near Rome), note that the Arms of Nassau include fretty on their lower half, for Cotta's/Cottins use fretty. Moreover, while Caen is down the Orne river, it's notable that the Caen Coat has fretty along with a red fesse, the color of the fesse in the August surname. The Suters/Suders (Schutz colors), now suspect with Suderland, not only share the colors and near-format of Capone's, but share a black fleur-de-lys with June's. The Suter/Suder stars are gold, the color of the Sutherland/Sutherland stars, yet the Suder/Suter stars are in both colors of the Capone stars. In this way and more, one may predict that Mr. Skeets is involved with my work as an act of God to reveal the Caiaphas line in Nassau and related places.
My interest is tweaked by what appears to be a Caepio-treasure trace to Nassau / Suderland in times prior to the Nassau merger with Orange. This treasure can easily explain how Mayer Bauer (the first Rothschild) of Frankfurt started the world's wealthiest family. Mayer had apparently obtained the treasure from a prince William IX of Hesse-Cassell.
Cambridge is beside Huntingdonshire, where I would trace the hunting horns (used by Hunters) of Orange. Cambridge is near Essex, where Quints were first found. For the record, Hunts (Shropshire) could be using a version of the Stuteville Coat, not forgetting that Stuteville was married by counts of Eu. Hunts were first found in the same place as Rothes. The Rutili might just have been the proto-Rothes. There is a question on whether "Arausio" was a branch of "Arezzo," the latter being the alternative name of Arettium, near the UMBRia border. If not mistaken, Boiorix was a CUMBER liner. I trace "Arezzo" to the Artois capital, Arras.
Mr. Skeets on May 24: "Also, not to throw another curveball into all of this. But, the Fulks of Sweden...have the same male dna as my Schutz ancestors, that is one reason I am having a difficult time figuring out if I am Frankish Norman or Danish Norman." While I trace Franks to Kos, that's an island near Rhodes, which once was home to the Danaans. The latter lived at LINDos, and Lincolnshire, where Rhodes' were first found, was once called, LINDsey. Merops of Kos was made the father of mythical Pandareus of Ephesus for a related reason, and then Ephesus is smack beside Clarus, where the Claro Normans originated. Right? Pandareus was made the father of Aedon of bee-line Boeotia.
By Swedish Fulks, he's referring to the Bjelbo's, for example, Folke the fat. The Arms of Bjelbo use the same lion as Nassau's and Beaumonts, but then there are many lions in these two colors. Note that the bends in the Bjelbo Arms rise in the sinister direction, for French Foix's (Auvergne) use such a bend. It's making Foix's suspect with Folke liners. It just so happens that the other French Foix's (Ile-de-France, where Lys'/Lisse's were first found) share the vertically-split Shield of Dutch Sprows' (not to mention the Shield of Schutz-suspect Stuteville's). There is a SPROWSton location in Norfolk, where Fulke's/Folks (giant fleur-de-lys) were first found. At Sprowston's Wikipedia article, there was (may still be) a town sign shown that is an image of the Dutch Sprows Coat ("a tree"). The latter uses "three birds" while Birds use the cross of Bouillons (same place as sinister Foix's) in colors reversed, making Bjelbo's suspect with the namers of Bouillons / Bellows.
As sinister bends belong to Masci / Massena / Rasmussen liners, it's feasible that BJELbo's, or BIELbo's, were Bellamy liners, for Bellamys married Ferte-Mace, home of Masseys/Maceys. Plus, the Bellows are the ones with the Foix-suspect fox head in black, the color of the Mackay wolf head. Rasmussens have an Assman variation much like "AKMONia." Severus Bassus of Akmonia led to Julius Bassianus', father of Julia MAESA Bassianus, and nephew of Julius Agrippa. The latter is suspect from the line of HEROD Agrippa, and then the Arms of Bjelbo use HEARTs as a backdrop. "Around 1100, Folke the Fat became the first known Bjelbo jarl, and probably the first jarl of all Sweden, under king Inge I of Sweden. He was married to a daughter of king Canute IV of Denmark." Canute's granduncle, Cnut the Great, was a grandson of Massey-liner Mieszko I. Cnut's mother was Sigrid the HAUGHTY, and then Haughts (Cheshire, same as Masseys, Propers and Buckleys) share a bull head (probably the Buckley bull head) with Mieske's. The Haughts also use a version of the Beak Coat while Aiken-related Propers/Roberts use "An ostrich with a key in its beak." If I recall correctly, Beaks (ostrich) were resolved as a Beck line, but Buckleys and Buckle's now look like their branches for sure. Becks use a moline cross in the colors of the similar flory cross of Bouillons.
They say that Sigrid the Haughty (born around 950) had also married a Swede king, and that might just have been the makings of house of Bjelbo. Here's on a son of Folke the Fat who might just be of the Chives-related Beng surname: "Bengt Snivil (also known as Bengt Snivel) from the House of Bjelbo was a Swedish magnate in mid-12th century...Romantic genealogies assign a lady SIGRID Lakman as his wife, though without historical source." If Sigrid LAKMAN is code, it could be for the Proper-related Ackman/AKMAN surname. There is a Lakman/Lochman surname, first found in the same place as Fulke's/Folks, using what could be a version of the Rhodes / Deacon / Decani Coat. Compare also with the Aitons "orto") that can explain the Atkin variation of Aikens, for if correct to trace Aikens to Akmonia, note that Severus Bassus was a grandson of ARTEMidoros while Aitons (same place as Arthurs) come up as "Artem."
Cnut married Adela of Flanders, a great-granddaughter of Baldwin IV of Flanders, husband of Rozala of Ivrea (a Rhodian, probably). Ivrea was home to the proto-Arthur Arduinici, and is still suspect with Waleran of Yvery. The latter's Percival bloodline of course became the mythical Percival of king Arthur's round table, but it should be noted that Arthurs were first found in bear-depicted Berwickshire, for Percivals use the bear head. Pierce's, first found in the same place as Percivals and Leavells, share the unicorn with Cnuts. The latter were first found in DERBYshire, and then Derbe (Anatolia) was conquered by Amyntes, Artemidoros' father.
The Pendragon and Dragon helmets have been resolved to be those of the Minute's/MYNETTs (in Quade colors and format), an excellent way to trace king Arthur to AMYNTes and Artemidoros. Years ago, I claimed that Pendragons were Merovingians in Britain, but this was before realizing that Pendragons and Dragons trace to the Drin river's Penestae peoples, on the same river as the Lissus of the Cavii. This is repeated because the Chives' are a gleaned as a merger with Hykes'/Hacks (Meschin scallops) while Ackmans show a HEXman variation while Hecks use a stag, a symbol that I've seen for Hamon de Masci/Massey. This is important for establishing both Hykes liners and Ackmans from Akmonia, for Hamons (same place as Minute's and Masons) are listed with HAMONDs (stag antlers), an Amyntes-like term, while Assmans/RasMUSSENs (Hasmonean suspects) ought to be Masons because Asmans/Assmans use the Massey fleur-de-lys. As you saw Severus-line Saffers with falcons, here's on the Hamond Crest: "A falcon rising PROPER with a gold MULLET on each wing, between the attires of a stag." In the Hamond Shield, a "chevron pean," and then Peans/Payens use the Mullet Coat. No mistake.
Antlers are a symbol of Zahringers, whom became suspect with Zerrs/Zehrers, and the latter happen to use a hatchet while Hatchets are listed with HACKets. It appears that Akmonia liners merged with Zahringers. The latter used a bear symbol for their Berne location, expected to be part of the Bernicia realm of the Arthurs / Artems. It should be added that while "Akmonia" smacks of "Hasmonean," the original name of Maccabees, they lived in Israel's Modi'in while Motts/Mottins were first found in the same place (Cotes-du-Nord, Brittany) as where Minute's are said to have lived before being in Kent.
So, in other words, the Amyntes > Bassus line though Quadratus (he married Julia Maccabee of Cetis) goes to the Arduinici of Ivrea, and from there to Percivals / Leavells of Yvery, connecting to the Waleran > Beaumont line of Meulan. And this is where Mr. Skeets has taken me at a time when I was fresh out of things to say, which doesn't happen often. I am often so sick of going in circles with these discussions that God needs to show a little mercy and get me to the finish line sooner rather than later.
Let's back up to a Skeets email of May 6:
...I realized the Nassau Counts and the Eu Counts share the same heraldry. However, I needed to find a real connection between the two and so I have been doing some digging in those regards. That being said, I am confident that the Schutz/Schutzen family I descend from in Germany have some sort of connection to the Nassau counts. For a few reasons. Firstly, the major area of concentration for the Schutz surname in Germany are the exact lands the Nassau Counts possessed from their earliest times. To a tee, these spots match up. Secondly, the Schutz family I feel I descend from was an active mining family in the Franconian area of Germany. From what I have read, so were the Nassau's.Third, the Schutz/Schutzen surname originated during the time of Middle High German. Which is anywhere from 1050-1350/1500. It is said this MHG language shift became popular during the Hohenstaufen reign. These facts I have laid out above have been the roots of much of my research recently. Which leads to the thoughts I am about to express to you. To start, the Nassau Counts first used that gold lion design in 1255. More than likely years after the Eu Counts used it. Which does not help my case for the connection between the two families. So, I am on a hunt to find an origin for this pesky lion that is all over heraldry...
Anyway, the Nassau lion specifically is rooted in the Palatine Lion. Which, has a few relations with the Hohenstaufens, Wittelsbachs, Ezzonids, and many others. I know you trace the Hohen lion to Flanders. While that may be true, the Flanders lion is traced to Brabant. This Brabant lion is originally the lion of the Reginarids. The Reginarids descend from a Reginar of Lotharingia who was active from 850 to 915. He is also the founder of the Hainaut Counts. Who you have been researching, correct? Anyway, he is said to have possibly been at the Seige of Paris. This makes me think that the historical "Ragnar Lothbrok" a Danish Viking, is the same as Reginar of Lotharingia. The terms are almost identical and so are the time frames of the two men. If this were true, it would rewrite Germanic/Nordic history...
Here's my reply:
I was just at Wikipedia's Reginarid article. I wasn't aware of them. They produced the wife of Henry I, son of the Conqueror. She was of Louvain, but then Louvains use the Nassau lion in colors reversed. The Reginarid link to Lorraine evokes the Crispins of Lorraine, for Crispins were at Eu. Thanks to Crispins sharing the pomegranate with Grazio's, I now know that Crispins were a Grazio branch. This can link Crispins, and possibly Eu, to the Ottone's, first found in the same place as Grazio's, and then Ottone's may have been a line from Otto I, the Ottonians you speak of. If correct that Ottone's were from Ottone Visconti, it reminds that Visconti's merged with Sforza's who in-turn use the same lion as Nassau / Eu. Plus, Sforza's are suspect with Italian Forts, the latter a potential branch of Ferrari's (same lion as Sforza's) because the Fort horse is the logo of the Ferrari car, and it happens to be the symbol of Stuttgart too. Forts were first found in Ferrara. Plain and simple, the Nassau lion can be the Eu lion that was also the Ferrari / Sforza lion. Claro's/Charo's were also first found in Ferrara while Crispins are known to have been Clare's. It seems that the Eu link to Nassau has to do with this picture.Naso's were first found in Florence, where Bouillon kin trace. You should keep the family of de Bouillon as part of your Nassau quest because the Bouillon motto honors the Bellow / Billet bloodline while Nassau's use billets. Plus, it was roughly a month ago when Billet elements were realized as per the Montbelliard elements of the Bar wife married by Godfrey III, de-Bouillon's grandfather. The bars used by Crispins likely betray their being Bar liners. Also, though it's fuzzy in my mind, Godfrey's lines were looking linkable to Henry the Fowler, father of Otto I. Fowlers share a white-on-blue chevron with Ottone's. The page below is on Godfrey of Louvain, a Reginarid, and father of the woman (Adeliza) above.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey_I_of_Leuven
I don't know the Stuttgart connection to the raven vikings, but assume that they named the Stout vikings. The mother of a Mr. Stout, according to Wikipedia, made him a raven flag. It's likely that Stuttgart was controlled by Veringer elements. You could assume that the raven liners of Baden were of the Rothes'.
The Reginarid lion is upright and gold, like that of Nassau's. While Lotheringia had Richeza, wife of Mieszko II Lambert, see Lambert I, first Count of Louvain, son of Reginar III Count of Hainaut, at the page below. The two Lamberts were about one or two generations apart, and there are no details on the mother of Lambert of Louvain. The latter is shown in a painting with the triple chevrons of Hainaut, which are the triple chevrons of Levi's too. "Lambert I of Louvain nicknamed "The Bearded" (born in Louvain, Duchy of Lotharingia, East Francia c. 950, died in Florennes, County of Namur, Duchy of Lower Lorraine..." It looks like the two Lamberts are very connectable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Reginar
While the Rich surname (probably the Saxon wyvern) has a Richeza-like Richess variation, the Powells show an "EdRYCH" motto term, possibly part-code for Rich liners because Powells are said to have been HOWELLs while Powell-like Fowlers use the OWL. "EDrych" can also be code for some Edmond / Edward / Edith entity of the Aethelings i.e. Saxonite. It might even be that Rich's, who list "Rech," and "Reg" were related terms. The dukes of Masovia, which included the Mieszko family, used a red wyvern.
RICHmond was a location given by the Conqueror to Alan the Red of Brittany, and Stewarts use the Brock motto. The Ricks (not "Rich") have an orange griffin, which can link or Orange-Nassau. The rulers of Orange shared the hunting horn with Bars.
As Mieszko I was the grandfather of Cnut, your idea that Ragnar LothBROK was Reginar of Lotharingia is coming to mind. Lothbrok is mythical, suggesting a reason that "brok" was added to his name. The Brocks are the ones with a VireSCIT motto term, and Brocuffs are the ones sharing the potent cross with Skits / Skeets'. How very interesting. One of Lothbrok's sons was given an Ironside surname (Swede king), apparent code for Edmond IronSIDE. There is a Side surname, branch of Sutys / Seatons, whom I see as part of the Maccus vikings (Maccus' grandfather married Edith of the Saxons). Seatons were first found in LOTHian. Seatons are possible Skeets liners. Sutys honor the NOTHings/Northerns, who might be a Cnut/NUTT/Nott branch.
Lothbrok is said to have invaded Paris, where Levi's and Ottone-related Chappes' were first found. Ottone's were first found in Pharisee-like Perusia, and Crispins were of Parez (Lorraine theater). One of Lothbrok's sons was Ivar the BONEless, and then Bone's (same bend as French Crispins, perhaps the Fowler lion in Crest) are an obvious branch of Bonns/Bone's, the latter first found in the same place as English Crispins, and possibly using the Nassau lion as well as a version of the Lorraine bend (Piast eagles, right?). Bonn of Germany [Rhine river] can apply here [Bonn was near, or part of, the Nassau realm]. Something tells me that this invasion of Paris had to do with Merovingian blood in this mythical entity. Bars of Este were, in my opinion, Merovingians. I see Merovingian liners of the Biggar area in Clydesdale, near to where Bars were first found. [I didn't mention that Bone's can be using the Beaumont / Nassau lion].
Also using a gold lion with Fowlers are Wollers, a possible branch of the Voulers listed with Fowlers. The Woller lion is in the design of the "couchant" lion of Tints, whom I link to Ricks (Wooler colors). Wollers share "woolpacks" with Wolfleys...
The Fowlers were discovered (3rd update in April), in my strong opinion, to be key-using Claviere's: "The Claviere hand is drawn as one would form it to create a perch for a trained hawk / falcon. Is this code for Henry the Fowler? I didn't consciously know, when asking it, that Fowlers (same place as Mortons) use a "QUI" motto term." Since then, and not until this update, Claviere's have linked rather hard to Sieger elements in the Orange area. It just so happens that "ORANGe" became suspect with "RANGabe" (Byzantines) while Rangabe's use a flory cross in the colors of the similar moline of Seagars and Segni's/Segurana's. It wasn't far above that we saw the "Qui"-using Fulke's linking to Sieger elements, and so let's mention here that Drakenberg Vere's (in the Clifford Shield and Crest) trace mythical Melusine o counts of Anjou immediately before the Fulks took that title. Melusine became suspect (by me) with Melissena Rangabe. This reveals to me that, somehow, imperial Byzantines had been Orange liners, and that they should be expected in Siegerland / Suderland.
Indeed, as Melissena was related to emperor Michael I Rangabe, Melissena's husband, Inger, can be in the Inger surname listed with ENDers, and then Scottish Michaels use a "favENTe" motto term. German Michaels (Bernice fesse?) were in North Rhine, virtually part of the Suderland / Siegerland area, and use a lion in colors reversed from the Orange-Nassau lion. German Michaels share Zionists stars with Bernice's. English Michaels have a Coat somewhat like the Suder/Suter Coat, but Scottish Michaels have what looks like a replica of the Suder/Suter Coat! Zikers, this is a first, to be able to trace Rangabe liners, and even the mythical dragon woman (Melusine), to Suderland/Sauerland (North-Rhine-Westphalia).
As an example of the futility of historians who engage in dictionary-related guesswork to derive terms, Giegers are traced to fiddle players, yet I have it recorded that Geigers (look like a merger with Masseys) are said to be from the Sieg river, indicating that German Giegers/Geigers are a variation of "Sieger." The Geiger write-up is not now showing a Sieg term, however, yet French Geigers/Gage's/Gagers happen to use gold-on-blue spread eagles, the colors of the same of Siegers. Ultimately, Siegers were Sakarya-river liners, right?
More. The Drakenberg Vere's created a count MILO of Anjou as Melusine's son, and then the Italian Naso's, who remind me of the hanks (an Anger line, likely) of cotton of Cottons, use MILL STONES. I think we are learning here that Nassau's were fundamental to Melusine elements. Believe it or not, the Sieger / Geiger eagle is in the Stone Coat! Stone's are clearly related to Craigs, Carricks and Talbots. The Stone / Craig motto has been suspect with Vibia Varia.
Here's my next email to Mr. Skeets, keeping in mind that the Skeets potent is in the Brocuff Chief while Brocks honor the Skeets branch of Skits in their motto. He seems to have hit the Nassau nail on the head with this Lothbrok character:
I'm glad you brought this up. This LothBROK character can connect to the Siegers/Seegers/Sagers, first found Wurttemberg, the area of Varni-like Veringers, and therefore first found near / in Stuttgart. The Siegers happen to share a gold-on-blue (Ferrari / Nassau colors) eagle with Spinks, the latter suspect with the Brocuff/Prock sphinx. Although I haven't been able to prove it, my heraldic knowledge, which has limitations, was toying with a Ferrara trace to Varni, which can predict a link to Veringers too. It's a good bet that the Nassau's adopted the Ferrara lion when Nassau's merged with Veringers, in other words. But, by that time, the Ferrara lion was the Sforza lion, which holds a quince, I kid you not, and Quince's not only share mascles with Spinks [and Michaels], but both were first found in the same place. Saer de Quincy has a first name that can be of "Seager / Sager"......You have the additional clue, now, that Brocks / Brocuffs are part of your picture. Assume that the "VIREscit" motto term of Brocks is for the Vire river at the Manche-Bessin border, where Vere's lived.
The Sieger quadrants are used in an Arms of Rothschild that I show regularly, and I link those quadrants to Pettys, if that happens to help. This Arms of Rothschild uses so-called "buffalo horns," and I know that Zahringers once used them too. There you see the Rothschild link to Zahringers, the latter sharing the antler with Veringers. Assume that Rothschilds were a branch of raven-using Rothes' [that had something to do with Stuttgart / Stout vikings].
Always keep in mind that the Nassau billets are expected with the same in the Arms of Roquefeuil, noting that Vires' are listed with Veron's/Vairs that use a version of the Feller Coat. Roquefeuil gets the Rodez liners into the picture. The Vairs/Fers use the Hohen Shield so that a Hohen link to the Vire river can be expected, and Brocks should have been there too in conjunction with their Skit merger. Assume a Brock trace to Germany's Brocken mountain, noting that Milans share the tree stump with German Brockens. Ottone Visconti was in Milan. Brockens were first found in Rhineland.
English Mills use a red lion (you were talking about one), and Mills are expected with the so-called "mill stone" of Italian Naso's. Scottish Mills, looking linkable to Quincy-related Winchesters, share "Industria" with the Arms of Rothschild. This looks like the Melissena Rangabe line, and the Mill moline can link to the same of English Seagars and Italian Segurana's. That works well. The Sawyers, first found in the same place as Seagars, share the white footless martlet with the Mill Crest...
All of this predicts that you are on the right track tracing Skeets' / Schutz's to Lothbrok. It seems you are finding [your] Norman connection to the Danes. It looks like his father was definitely code for Siegerland liners, and so keep your eyes on the look-out for the Sieger link to Stuttgart. The latter's horse can be that of Jewish Rothchilds (no 's').
I've just found that Irish Brockens/Brogans share the trefoil in the colors of the same of Vires'/Verons! Excellent, for it proves a "Virescit" link to the Vires'. It proves that Brocks were kin of Vires'/Verons. [Verone's, with an 'e', use ravens.]
Expect that Vires'/Verons, who list "Verona," are from Verona, near Brixia/Brescia, where Brocks can trace with Bruce's. I assume that Brocks are part of Belgium's Brugg. The Bruce lion is likely the Louvain lion, the latter colors reversed from the Nassau lion...
I just want to say that it was after writing several paragraphs below that I re-visited, after some years, the raven-banner article at Wikipedia, where I learned that "The raven banner was used by a number of Viking warlords regarded in Norse tradition as the sons of the Danish Ragnar Lodbrok." That's the Ragnar Lothbrok under discussion. The article goes on to say: "The raven banner was also a standard used by the Norse Jarls of Orkney. According to the Orkneyinga Saga, it was made for Sigurd the STOUT by his mother, a völva or shamanic seeress." This is why I assume that the Stout/Stow surname was part of that story. See the Stoti name of vikings in the Stute write-up.
The Brogan variation of Brockens suggests Brogitarus, father of Amyntes, the Galatian line to Severus Bassus. Brogitarus was a priest of Cybele in Pessinus, on the Sakarya river. The email above showed that the Sieger eagle is also the Spink eagle so that Brock liners can link thereby to Sakarya elements i.e. of the Sieger kind. There is a question here on whether "Bassus" was a version of Bessin-like "Pessinus." As Cybele was married to Attis, a version of Aeetes, the king of Colchis, it seems that Pessinus was named after Phasis. In other words, Attis, the sun god of Phrygia, was a Colchian-related peoples that merged with a Cabelees peoples in Phrygia. I'm assuming that Vespasia Polla was exactly from this Pessinus entity, for while her name traces well to Italian Pace's/Pasi's, English Pace's (Cheshire, same place as Bessin liners of the Meschin kind) show nothing but besants. Besants can be construed as suns, and therefore can act as code for the sun god of Phrygia, probably the very same, by another name, as Helios (known to be from Colchis elements).
The Brocuff Crest has a griffin holding a "flag," and then Flags/Flecks are predicted as Pollock/POLK liners. It's online that Brogitarus became the priest of Cybele thanks to the political strings of Publius PULCHer. This man predated Vespasia Polla.
All of these traces to the Bassus Galatians is my input, not Mr. Skeets'. He's after something else, yet his work is inevitably facilitating my work. We are on the same elements as they passed through the Nassau's.
Again, Brogitarus' son has been traced well to the Amyntes and Hamond surnames. The Amyntes helmets are specifically said to be "open," and then another sphinx is used by OPENheimers (nine besants, no surprise). That can't be coincidental, tending to nail the sphinx-using Brocuffs with Brogitarus liners. The other Openheims (Rhineland) use a version of the motto in the Arms of Rothschild presented above. Keep in mind that Rothschilds must trace with Pollocks to Vespasia Polla. Openheims use an anchor suspect with the namers of Ankara, near the Sakarya.
The endings on motto terms used by Scottish Michaels and Brocuffs suggest something of the Enders/Ingers. German Michaels share the white-on-blue Zionist star with Openheim(er)s. There is a Heim(er) surname (same red foxes as Waleran-beloved Vos') first found in Switzerland, and than Michaels were first found in Surrey while Surreys have a Surrich variation like Switzerland's Zurich. I know that German Hagels (Michael colors) use both symbols in the Arms of Kyburg (beside Zurich), and one of them is an upright gold-on-black lion, the colors of the same in the Arms of Rhineland-Palatinate, that being the location of Nassau. Hagels, Openheimers, and the Arms of Rothschild all use the black spread eagle, which can reveal that the Rothschild / Openheim eagle is specifically code for Hagels. The latter were first found in Wurttemberg, same as Siegers. The Crest of Scottish Michaels shows a feather, which is a symbol in the Arms of Rothschild.
German Michaels were first found in Bohemia, and the Bohemian lion is that of Montforts. The latter own the so-called gonfanon banner, which was the term used as early as the 9th century for the raven banner. The proto-Bohemian Boii became suspect from Boiotians (Greece), and it just so happens that I traced the namers of Orkney to the Orchomenos Boiotians, the ones that myth writers put into the Argo ship (myth code for pirates). The Boets/Butts/Bute's, from Butua, use a fish.
Ultimately, I trace "raven" to the Rephaites at Jerusalem's Rephaite valley, and I always link king Og of the Rephaites to tribes from Keturah, Abraham's other wife. One of her sons traces to Medea, mythical witch and wife of Jason (of the Argo ship), and therefore to mythical Aedon of Boiotia whom I see as a version of "Aeson," father of Jason. Jason's ship stopped to mate with Amazons in Lemnos, and I see Lemnos named after Keturah's tribe of Leummites. The name of Keturah herself traces to Kodros of Athens (Medea flew her dragons to Athens), father of Medon, the latter like "Medan," Keturah's son. Kodros' fish symbol made it to Kotor, smack beside Butua and near Bar, and to the Bars of Bar-le-Duc in Lorraine. It just so happens that, without any of this in mind, Mr. Skeets (should trace to Scodra, smack beside bar) was hypothesizing that Ragnar Lothbrok was code for Reginar, duke of Lotheringia (same 9th century as Lothbrok), and it just so happens that Lotheringia was another name for Lorraine.
The raven-using Verone's can be deemed a branch of the fish-using Verona's/Vires', and from those terms one can trace to Varangian pirates. The Lorraine's happen to share green-on-gold lions with Ripleys, possible Rephaite liners. The Arms of Lorraine, and the Lorraine surname, use a red-on-gold bend, which in itself is the Arms of Baden, and Baden is where Veringers lived.
On Reginar: "He was the son of Gilbert, Count of the Maasgau, and a daughter of Lothair I of whom the name is not known..." The Maasgau was named after the Maas/Meuse river, and as such I would trace this discussion through the nine mythical Muses, all women, code for Amazons. I see the nine Muses in-play with the nine Arthurian / mythical witch's of Apollo-like Avalon, and so let's add that the raven-banner article claims that the owners of the raven were into witchcraft. At the sight of "Maasgau," I recalled the "masghii variation of Calverts. In the Calvert Crest, two banners, though they are called flags: "Out of a ducal CORONet, two staves with flags flying, one gold, one black." I sometimes trace crowns, and always trace the coronet, to mythical CORONis, the mythical crow! The raven and the crow were interchangeable. Apollo, the owner of the Muses, who had a divination symbol, mated with Coronis. Coronis was trace (by me) to the namers of Corinth, home of Jason and his queen, Medea the Colchian witch. Are we making sense? Apollo's twin sister (Amazon war goddess) was at Ephesus, the place that furnished Aedon of Boiotia.
Maastricht, on the Maas, was home to the Verone-like Eburones, who smack of Hebrews i.e. could very well have been from pagan Jerusalem. The Arms of Maastricht is a single star in the colors of the single Vere star, the latter's being on the MASSey Shield. It appears, therefore, that the same Vere-Massey batch in the Manche, itself suspect from the Manx on raven-liner Man, were in the land of Eburones. Kodros of Athens had a boar symbol along with a fish symbol, and boars were, I think, common code for Hebrews. Vere's share a blue boar with Irish Barone's. The latter's "Fortuna" motto term can trace to the Stuttgart horse.
It's interesting that William de Eu, mentioned earlier in this update, was styled, "Comte Heimois and d'Eu". Do Heims and Openheims relate to Heimois (also called, Heimes / Heime)? Heimes was also, Exmes, and I've just found this quote: "Also from below it appears that EU was originally called 'Exmes'..." Mr. Skeets had sent in on a Eaux version of "Eu," and so it does appear that "Eu" is short for Exmes, or at least fundamentally related to it. Another page has, "Count d'Exmes (Eu) and/or 'the ExMESIN of Heimois'." We now need to ask whether Openheims were Eu liners? The Arms of Rhineland-Palatinate, the area that houses Nassau, shares a curved and solid black-on-red chevron with Openheims. One of the Openheim Coats uses a dancette in the colors of the Orange-surname hunting horn. Here's Wikipedia on Exmes (two white greyhounds in the Arms):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExmesThere is a white greyhound in the Crest of Hunters; note their hunting horns, their only Shield symbol. Hunters were Orange-line kin of Horn / Orne liners, right? The other Hunters are the Hunts that use nearly the Stuteville Coat, and Stuteville's had married Eu.
There is a Messei location in ExMES that may apply to the latter's name. I just saw one website calling it, ExMESIN, smacking of the Asman variation of RasMUSSENs. The Arms of Messei uses a tower and a shuttle, and then Weavers, who are honored in weaver's shuttle's, were first found in Cheshire i.e. same as Masseys/Maceys. I had argued that Masseys had hold of the Caepio tressure. It is interesting that the Maschi lion, in the colors of the Nassau lion, is in the Coat of Voirs/VOYERS, a surname like "Boyer" or king "BOIORix." Meschins were kin of the Boys.
The dancette of Openheims is red, the color of the same of Cheatle's, the latter first found in the same place as Masseys, and where Meschins ruled who were first found in the same place as Hunts/Hunters. Meschins were from the Bessin, smack down the Orne river. The BAIOcasses lived in the Bessen. The Rimini location of Maschi's is in the motto of Hamonds, and the Maschi pine CONES jibe with the Cone's sharing antlers with Conte's and Hamonds. The Amyntes Galatians (the Trocmii) to which Hamonds trace were actually in Toulouse as the Gauls, which is why I expect Caepio liners to have merged with Amyntes' family. Amyntes conquered Derbe, near lake Tatta, and Derbyshire is beside Cheshire. The Hamond motto can link to the Totts and Tottens, and then Tattons are known to have merged with Masseys of Cheshire. Tottens use dancettes in colors reversed from the Cheatle dancette. Cheatle's were resolved from the Chatti of Hesse, smack at the Nassau theater. Boiorix's Cimbri were allied to the TEUTONes at Orange, and the Welsh Cymbri (RED dragon) lived smack beside Cheshire. Was some of the Boiorix tressure in Wales?
The Totten lion looks linkable to the Rant/Rand lion. The "sequor" motto term of Tottens may reveal their Sakarya-river links, which may have started when Tatta liners merged with Amyntes or his descendants. It just so happens that while I confidently traced the Levi-beloved Ade's to Ada of Warenne/Varenne, who married Huntingdon, Tottens use an "Ad" motto term. Varenne's are listed with raven-using Verone's. Recalling that Billets and Bellows trace to Belli's and Bellino's of Verona, by what coincidence do French Billets share the white-on-blue Zionist star with the Openheim Chief? Heraldic Chiefs are suspect as code for Caiaphas, and French Billets were first found in Maine, where Josephs were first found. The Arms of Rhineland-Palatinate shows the wheel of Mainz.
The Ade Coat is much like the Suther/Southern Coat, and the latter's similarity with the Lorraine Coat (white spread eagles) may indicate Suderland elements in Lorraine, especially as Bar-le-Duc was in Lorraine while Bar-related Este's share a white, spread eagle with the Suther/Southern Crest.
The Arms of Orange-Nassau uses a motto, "JE MAINtiendrai," and the Main(e) surname shares the double chevrons of Perche's while BELLamys lived in Perche. The Potter-related Botters use an eagle standing on a PERCH, and Potters trace to Poitvins who happen to use a Jay that I see in "Je" motto terms. The Poitvin Chief may therefore have the Sutherland/Suderland stars. Jays were resolved as king-Massena liners, and Massena's are the ones sharing a sinister bend with RasMussens.
"Exmes" was entertained as a term from "AKMonia," but this was months ago, before learning (last night) that Exmes was also ExMESIN. In other words, if Rasmussens/ASSMANs and Asmans/Assmans (Massey fleur) were from Akmonia, it stands to reason that the Exmes term developed from an Akmonia-like term in the Exmes area, and that Rasmussen liners then named Exmes after the Akmonia-like location / surname. The Liebers, whom I see as a merger with Akmans, share a red fesse with Caens i..e from Caen on the Orne river. Rasmussens are now leading families in Denmark, which can begin to suggest that the Orne river was home to Danes.
The Chatti of Hesse were found (1st update in April) in Worcestershire, location of DUDley. The House of Nassau was founded in the Hesse theater by a DUDo Henry character. It was one of my more-important finds to find the Hesse / Keith Chatti at Worcestershire's Husmerae tribe, and here my Microsoft search feature refuses to bring up any page with "Husmerae." The Hesse surname lists "Huss." An Arms of Dudley, as well as the Dudley surname at houseofnames, uses the Nassau lion in colors reversed. The Arms of Dudley has the salamander-in-flames! I had forgotten when mentioning the same of Sagans/Segans. It tends to assure that Segans were from Siegen, and Dudleys from Dudo of Nassau. See a white fesse in both colors of the Arms-of-Dudley fesse in this Arms of Orange-Nassau:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Orange-Nassau#/media/File:Willem_van_Oranje_wapen.svgLook again at the Arms of Orange-Nassau above, and see another white fesse, this time on black (owned by Veere's), for it's the Sedgley/Sidley/SEDLEY fesse. Then read the Arms-of-Dudley write-up to see that it uses Sedgley symbols. See the Dudley lion in the SADDLE Coat.
As DOUGlas' use the salamander-in-flames, let's repeat: "The Dude's/DOUGHtie's share the black Zionist star with Bernice's, and that surname might just be from Dudo Henry, founder of Nassau." The Doughtie's show a DOWty variation while Dowels are a branch of DOUGals, both using an upright lion on blue, same as Nassau's.
My treatment on the Husmerae of Worcestershire traced to Porcius Cato (200ish BC), after his lines traced to Chatillon. The Chatillon rulers merged with the counts of Blois were at Chalons-sur-Marne, which is interesting where you see that Orange-Nassau was merged with a Chalon entity. Welsh Chalons are using the colors and format of Capone's. French Chalons use the Porcia bend, which is in the colors of the bend in the Arms of Orange-Nassau-Chalons above. The same bend is used by Irish Lawns/Lane(y)'s, therefore traceable to the Lahn river of Laurenburg.
More. The lower Arms of Dudley shows a so-called "davey lamp" used by miners. Mr. Skeets has repeated that Nassau was in an area of miners. I've just found a lamp with miners tools, apparently, in the Arms of Laurenburg. Dudo Henry was count of Laurenburg in 1093.
Mr. Skeets happened to send in a Bechard surname, listed with Bouchers, and here I now find this: "After the removal of the ruling House of Nassau from Laurenburg, the castle was administered by a Burgmann of Nassau, whose descendants are still named "von Laurenburg" today. Among them, the families of the Loeners and the BUCHERs are well-known today." English Buchers/BUSCHERs, sharing the Dutch Bush/Bos lion, were first found in the same place (Norfolk) as the Flecks sharing the double black-on-white fesse bars of Dude's/Doughtie's. Dutch Bush's/Bos, no guff, use billets. German Bush's/Buschs were first found in Rhineland.
There is no Laurenburg surname coming up, but Laurens use the same scallops as Capes' while Laurie's use the split colors of Kaplans. The latter were definite kin of the Hampshire Josephs. The latter are said, in an online article, to be descended from: "The first recorded spelling of the [Joseph] family name is shown to be that of Henry Joseph, which was dated 1191, in the pipe rolls of the county of Hampshire..." I'm wondering whether Dudo Henry was a Joseph liner, for even the Nassau billets can trace to the Josephs of Maine. Scottish Laurens/Clarens share two red chevrons with Maine's. Scottish Laurens/Clarens are obvious a branch of Clare's, and Josephs honor the Charo's/Claro's in their motto. In colors reversed, the two Lauren/Claren chevrons are gold, and then double chevrons in gold are used by Chaplins and Josephs.
Cape's and Laurens share white-on-red scallops with Apps/Abbs, the latter using the Arms of Austria that was borrowed by the Habsburgs. The Habsburg surname shows "HAPsburg" so that the Abbs/Apps can apply with some certainty. The point is, the fesse is in the colors of the Dudley fesse.
As per the Loeners, the Loens / Lowens can apply. One Loen surname (Dutch) uses that fesse in the paragraph above. See also the Covert fesse with martlets. This fesse is colors reversed from the Lieb(er) fesse while German Lowens list "Lebe." In fact, the German Lowen use a gold lion holding a sword, the symbol of Orange-Nassau. We saw this same fesse in the Arms of Orange-Nassau-Chalons, which moreover has the same lion as the Habsburgs/Hapsburgs. The Lowen lion is colors reversed from the Habsburg/Hapsburg lion. Coverts/Courts share pale bars with the counts of Chatillon (at Chalons-sur-Marne).
Crwflags.com says that the white-on-red fesse in the Arms of Orange-Nassau belongs to Vianden, and that the lion in the second quadrant belongs to Katzenelnbogen. The two gold leopards in the 4th quadrant are said to belong to Dietz, which recalls the Ditt/Diot surname with stripe-less tigers, expected to be a branch of the Dittmayer surname with Teeger-beloved Deum variation. Coverts use the gold leopard face as well as the same fesse as Vianden. Here is the Dietz/Diets/Deetz Coat, identical to the Brunswick Coat. The descriptions page I use calls them lions. The "red wings" in the Deetz Crest suggest the billet-using Wings/Winks; the latter can be using the Hagel pile.
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/nl_anglo.htmlThe page also speaks to the Arms of Orange-Chalons: "On an escutcheon the arms of Orange-Châlons: quarterly I and IV Châlons (on a red field a silver bend), II and III Orange (on a field of gold a blue bugle-horn stringed red garnished silver); an escutcheon Geneva (chequy of nine gold and blue). Over this an escutcheon Veere (on a black field a fesse of silver); under it an escutcheon Buren (on a red field an embattled fesse of silver)." The Orange-Nassau Arms showed above didn't have the white Chalons bends. Being white on red, they could play to the Suther/Southern / Ade bend. Why is the Orange symbol called an "escutcheon Geneva"? Why does the escutcheon use checks in the colors of the Warren checks? Can this indicate Ada of Warenne? The Orange checks are upon the same Shield as used by Ve(e)re's.
It just so happens that the Geneva/Genova Coat uses the red-on-gold lion, with sword, of Jewish Lowens. The upside-down wings in the Geneva Coat are in the design of those used by Bauers, first found in the same place as Bogens, suspect in "KatzenelnBOGEN." What Katz element is that? Katz's are Jewish. Why is the Orange hunting horn called a bugle? Can it have something to do with the Bugle-like variations of Bogens? While Bogens are in Bug colors, note that German Bugs/Buggens/Buglers use the Varenne Coat. Does the crossBOW of Stuteville's relate to the Bogen bow?
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