Gyges of Lydia had betrayed his alliance with the Assyrians, and in about 663 BC he sent Greekish troops (including Carians and Ionians) even into Egypt to fight the Assyrians invading there. Not long afterward, the Cimmerians took Sardis, the Lydian capital, and meanwhile killed Gyges. His son, out of sheer need, then resumed the alliance with Assyria, but before long the power of Assyria was also broken:

"By the mid-7th century BCE, ca. 640 BCE, Assyria has pulled out of her western empire in Canaan and Phoenicia, and the Egyptians, using Greek mercenaries, fill the political vacuum.

http://www.bibleorigins.net/PrimaryHistory562BCE.html

Note the dates above, because Ezekiel was alive at that time. It's conceivable that the Lydians and the Scythians would go on to rule all Asia in league, as the Biblical Gog of Ezekiel 38. But not before the Cimmerians were weakened, who, after taking Sardis, were at the height of their power. And so it happened afterward that the Assyrians and Scythians together humbled the Cimmerians, allowing Lydia to grow far.

The point needs to be made here that Gyges/Gugu appears to have been a historical person, and if so, his name id not come into existence as a result of a myth writer tagging the Lydians with a code depicting a Gogi branch. However, it may be that a man, upon becoming the ruler of the Lydians, gave himself the name because he wanted to reflect his Gogi heritage above all else. It may even be that God moved this man to do so as a clue for us of Gog's ancient identity.

It is important where Britannica says that the Cimmerians then "disappear from the stage of history but probably settled in Cappadocia, as the Armenian name of that country, Gamir, suggests." This supports the Ezekiel text in which the prophet places Rosh in proximity to Meshech and Tubal.

Yes, I'm suggesting that the Cimmerians were the Biblical Rosh, and that after they were weakened sufficiently, the Lydian Gogi arose and took over their land, the land of Meshech and the land of Tubal, to fulfill Ezekiel 38.

It's necessary now that I apply a few arguments to show that Cimmerians were the Rosh. To begin with, they had ruled at Lake Van (capital of Urartu) over the Urartian kings that styled themselves, "Rusa." Moreover, rather than eliminating these kings, the Cimmerians allowed them to continue their rule, albeit as puppets of the Cimmerians. This could indicate that Cimmerians were closely related to the Rusa rulers. It is known that these particular Cimmerians had come from the north shores of the Black sea, wherefore the Rusa kings may have been from a branch of Cimmerians who had earlier remained on the south shores (at the time that another branch went to the north shores). It may also be that the Rusa kings were not so-named from birth, but that they created "Rusa" specifically as a throne name, in honor of their Rosh heritage. Of course, this means that the Biblical Rosh was more the Rusa kings than the Cimmerians on the north shore of the Black sea, yet the point is that the Rusa were likewise Cimmerian peoples.

My aim here is simply to show that Cimmerians were the Rus(sians) of later centuries; this in itself goes far in identifying Rosh as Cimmerians. But as I have been saying all along that the Rus(sians) descend from Trojans, the following points are in order. Strabo, ancient-Greek historian and geographer, equated the Cimmerians with the Trojans, while Herodotus alluded to the Trojans as "Kimmeri." Historians are well familiar with the peoples called, "Thraco-Cimmerians," and a modern writer declares: "Linguistically [Cimmerians] are usually regarded as Thracian"
(http://www.osterholm.info/swedes.html).

Now as I have traced dragon-line Trojans and Thracians to Gorgons, it stands to reason that Gorgons issued forth from Cimmerians. There is good evidence for this view, especially in the historical term, "Gug-Cimmerian" (i.e. Cimmerians of a Gug branch). To show that "Cimbrians" were Gogi, Poseidonius wrote that "the Cimbrians derived from gug and guas."
(http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/W.Europe/W.Europe4.html)

It may be that "Cimbrian" was a term for, not pre-Gog Cimmerians, but a Cimmerian branch that stemmed from a Gogi tribe. "Cimbri" was the origin of various regions in Europe called "Cambri(a)," including the Welsh hub of Western Atlantis. If I am correct, therefore, in identifying the original Greek-theater Atlantis as the Trojan empire, the Trojans appear as Cimmerian descendants.

I and others trace Russians back to the Redones/Ruthene of France. I then trace the Redones back to Rhodes, where that Greek island is the home of three mythical siblings, one being called "Kamiros," a term very close indeed to the historical term "Gamir" used for Cimmerians. In other words, if one sibling can be identified as a Cimmerian people, all three ought to be of Cimmerian blood.

All three siblings were named after real cities on Rhodes, but I am not fooled so as to think that the three siblings were real people after whom the cities were named. Rather, the three siblings were a creation (of secret-society men) after the cities had been in existence under those names for a long while. The importance of the siblings, therefore, is in the names chosen for their fathers, for in those terms, we who are wise to the scheme, can learn the ancestry of the Cimmerians of Rhodes. The father of all three was termed, "Kerkaphos." This evokes Kirke/Circe, the daughter of Helios by Perse, whom, as the terms suggest, involved a Gorgon bloodline.

However, Kerkaphos was himself made the son of Helios and Rhoda (rather than Circe). It thereby becomes evident that while an alliance between Helios and Circe peoples led to the Latins, and therefore to the Lydians (not to mention Trojans), the other alliance between Helios and Rhodes peoples led to the Russians. With further consideration, one concludes that the Helios-Rhodes peoples were part of an earlier Helios-Perse peoples.

Helios can be understood as a peoples that had been connected to the Sumerian sun-god cult, and Perse can be understood as the Persians/Aryans that were likewise connected to that cult (for which reason I suspect Perse to have depicted the Guti Aryans). The Helios-Perse alliance (otherwise encoded as "Ares," in my opinion) then settled the Colchis/Georgian region of the mythical dragon-related king Aeetes, and from there they migrated to Thrace, Corinth (in Greece) and Rhodes.

Kerkaphos, father of the Cimmerians on Rhodes, had another sibling besides Kamiros, and this one was "Ialysos" (a real city on the island), a term that evokes the historical Halisones/Halybes living on both sides of the Halys river...exactly where the Cimmerians were gathered in Ezekiel's day! In other words, the Cimmerians from the north shores of the Black sea had, when engaging in a scheme to take over Asia, came to live with relatives on the Halys river, suggesting that the two branches schemed in co-operation. I can only wonder at this time whether Helios depicted the peoples who came to name the Halys river; I have other theories because it may be true after all that “Halys” means “salt/sea.” It may be that “Halys” was not named after salt/sea, and I am also looking for a Halys/Elis connection.

The third sibling was "Lindos": "In Greek mythology, Linda was a daughter of Danaus who was worshipped on the island of Rhodes. Principally, she was venerated in [the city of] Lindos..." That is, the peoples of the city of Lindos descended from the Danaans (i.e. Gorgophones, remember), and this tends to reveal that Gorgons and Danaans were both Cimmerian branches. This Danaan-Cimmerian link becomes important where Hercules peoples (i.e. Danaans) migrated as far west as Wales ( which became a hub of Western Atlantis, discussed later), for the Welsh to this day claim to descend from Cimmerians.

Unless the following similarity of terms is pure coincidence, a mythical codeword for the Cimmerians would be the "Chimaera" dragon, essentially a female lion having a snake for a tail and therefore a symbol of the dragon bloodline. This creature is comparable to the Lydian lion, but is sometimes depicted freakishly with a goat's head growing out of its shoulder/back. The goat, I have learned to my satisfaction (details later), depicts the Getae branch of Thracians...suggesting that the Getae were offshoots of Cimmerians...if indeed the Chimaera beast depicts Cimmerians.

The problem is, as Cimmerians became Gorgons somewhere along the migratory route from Iran to the Black sea, the Chimaera may also depict Gorgons. As a serpent is commonly used by ancient writers to depict Gorgons, the Chimaera's tail may just depict the Gorgons which stemmed from Cimmerian stock, meaning also that the lion body should depict that Cimmerian stock (in Iran?).

Recall that the Lydian lion had a sun between its eyes to depict the sun god of Sumeria, which sun god was depicted (elsewhere) with a dragon growing out of each shoulder. Wouldn't the goat head growing from the Chimaera dragon's back/shoulder depict the same (dragon-line) peoples growing out of the sun-god's back? That is, the design peculiarity of having beasts growing out from backs must be the peculiarity of the same peoples. Therefore the goat on the Chimaera depicts the dragon-bloodline.

Very interesting indeed is that "goat" in the Greek tongue is "tragos," virtually identical with "draco." If the goat can be identified by other means as being a Thraco (i.e. Thracian) peoples, then I think the goat symbol would thereby be a depiction of Thrace.

Pegasus the white-winged horse came forth at the Medusa's death. White horses were symbols of Thrace, and more generally horses were symbols of Scythians. But as Pegasus came from the Medusa Gorgon, it stands to reason that the white horse depicts a branch of Gorgons. Of the Thracian king, Rhesus ("hross" means "horse in Celt), Homer wrote: "His horses are the finest and strongest that I have ever seen, they are whiter than snow..." This seems like code-talk, to glorify Thracians.

[UPDATE May 2006 -- In Lithuanian myth, the mating of Lada (probably proto-Lydia) with Perkuna (Verkana) result in twin horses, suggesting that one Scythian tribe split up into two and continued on as allies (what else can "twin" depict?). The two horses would be identified, I can only assume, as the descendants of Lada and Perkuna themselves (who, for one, became the Lithuanians). One can only wonder if "Lada" is the root of "Lithuania," therefore, and whether Lithuanians were from the Lydian Gorgons. As Apollo's mother was called "Leto/Lada," and as the Lithuanians lived in the far north of Russia (now on the Baltic sea opposite Finland), might they have been of the so-called "Hyperboreans" (= "far-northerners") that were of Apollo and his twin sister, Artemis? If so, couldn't that identify them as the far-north Gog of Ezekiel 38, and therefore the Scythians, if not the so-called "Royal Scythians," of the day? That is, could it not make them the Gog that ruled over Rosh, Meshech and Tubal?

The Lithuanians may have been, as I suspect the Lydians might have, the Letushite tribe of Abrahamic Dedan, since after all I am convinced that the Suebi branch of Swedes were from Sheba, brother of Dedan, and that the Aesir branch of Swedes were from Asshurites, a fellow-tribe of Dedan along with the Letushites (Genesis 25:3). End Update]

UPDATE August 2006 -- It didn’t occur to me until I found the significance of the “Ladon/Lotan” term (in July) that the Lituanians should prove to be a major Ladon/Lotan peoples. This is of course very interesting since the significance of the term is in it’s identity as the Biblical dragon. End Update]

With the aid of Pegasus (i.e. Gorgons from Medusa), Bellerophon fought and killed the Chimaera dragon. And because the beast is located in Lycia, a region of Asia Minor over-looking Rhodes, I would suggest that "Chimaera" refers to the Kamiros Cimmerians of Rhodes. I traced the Helios peoples of Rhodes to the Medusa Gorgons in Corinth -- what I perceive as both the Golden-Fleece and Calydonian-Boar bloodlines (details later) -- and so note that Belleraphon was a descendant of Sisyphus, the founder of Corinth:

"Sisyphus is said to be the founder of Ephyra, a city later called Corinth. Strange as it may seem, he is also said to have received the kingdom of Corinth from Medea. This is so because her father Aeetes was king in this region before he departed to Colchis, leaving the kingdom [of Corinth] to Bunus, son of Hermes and Alcidamea."

http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Sisyphus.html

Aeetes was a son of Helios and Perse, and the brother of Circe, wherefore he was a depiction of Medusa Gorgons. Aeetes is known almost solely as the king of Colchis, having an important role in the Golden-Fleece myth, and yet prior to taking on that role, he depicted the Helios-Perse peoples of Corinth. Aeetes' daughter, Medea, was a witch and moreover is an eponym for the Medes, and in fact her son is said to have founded the (wizard-infested) Medes. This claim is not true of course, but what is true is that the Medes were thought, by myth writers, to stem from Media's mythical ancestors, Helios and Perse.

[UPDATE may 2006 -- My question is, was Helios a depiction of the non-Israelite Hebrews that I have mentioned in previous chapters, who mixed with Aryans (i.e. "Perse") of Iran? As we are seeing and will see even more, this bloodline put forth Hermes, who was not only the ancestor of the Germanics, but of the Gypsies (details later). My point is that it's been shared my many that Gypsies had Hebrew elements. Note that the earlier name of Corinth, "Ephyra," may be a variation of "Abiru" (i.e. a form of "Hebrew"). End Update]

In the above quote we find that "Bunus" (ruler of Corinth) was the son of Hermes, but as Pan was also the son of Hermes, I think it's safe to equate the two. Thus Pan, the half-goat-half-human whom I think refers halfly to the Getae and halfly to the Poeni/Phoenicians (i.e. the Europa/Cadmus bloodline), had a station in Corinth. Hermes was born nearby, in Arcadia, land of the Caucones!

Now I believe that the daughter of the Thracian god, Ares, whose name was made "Harmonia," was, like Hermes, the root of the Germans i.e. "Germania," and furthermore that both Harmonia and Hermes depict, and stem from, the Armenians. Harmonia was coupled with Cadmus (i.e. was made his wife) when he was depicted as entering Europe and becoming a European peoples known as the Gauls/Celts. The Rus(sians) originated from these very peoples i.e. the Redone Gauls.

Thus, if it's true that Armenia incorporated the Biblical Rosh, then, when the northern Cimmerians (of Crimea) returned to Armenia in the days of king Gyges and Ezekiel, they were distant relatives of the Armenian Rosh.

I should mention that the Greek writers turned both Harmonia and her husband, Cadmus, into snakes upon their entering Europe. The two entered Europe in Illyrium, which is why many view them as the first Celt wave across Europe that produced the Gauls of France, for the Gauls do have their beginnings in Illyrium (as the so-called "Hallstatt Celts"). I suspect strongly that the Kabeiri-cult Galli were the historical Gauls. And because the Pannonians were a tribe of Illyrians, it's a good idea to investigate the Pannonians...who may have been depicted by Pan.

The Rus of Rhodes became the historical (i.e. non-mythical) Rodez Rusi (also "Ruthene") of France, and I have furthermore read that the Ruthene descended from a certain "Hros" of Russia/Caucasia. The Varangian Rus of Sweden, whom I think were related to the Ruthene of France, were called "Rutsi," somewhat evoking Rhodes. I was shocked to find that "Rhodes" also came to mean "rose," and perhaps that flower was used as a secret-society symbol depicting the Ros/Rus...a deception that the Rosicrucians are apparently using to this day.

In the 555-AD book, "Church History," by Pseudo-Zacharias Rhetor, the above-mentioned Hros are mentioned "in connection with some North Caucasian peoples found south of Kiev." (http://www.stetson.edu/~psteeves/classes/pritsak.html)

Yet the author quoting that statement (at the website above ) does not believe that the Hros were the Kievian Rus, saying that "the Greek term heros (hero) is used for the gigantic mates of the Amazons. In the Syriac adaptation, this Greek term assumed the form hros." Okay, but the gigantic mates of the Amazons sound like the Gargarians. As the Syrians, living on the southern side of the Black sea as they were, mentioned the Hros in their writings, it's apparent that the Hros were on that southern side as well. The finger again points to the Gargarians. And so why couldn't the Gargarians have become the Kievian Rus? Perhaps I can agree with the author in the sense that the Kiev (i.e. Slav) Rus may have become the product of the Hros much later, after the Ruthene return from France to Kiev.

The point to take note of is that the Hros are likely identical to the Greek term "Hero." And I mention, therefore, the so-called "Thracian Hero," depicted as a horseman ("hross" in Celt means "horse")

The question then becomes, did the Gogi become the Kiev Rus? My understanding is that The Hero and the Thracian Horseman was Ares himself, for one can easily see the resemblances between "Heros," "Hros," and "Ares." Thus everything that I have previously discussed on Ares and the Thracians can be used to trace the proto-Russians.

Harmonia is important under the topic of Hros, for as the daughter of Ares she must have been a depiction of the Hros/Rosh. In this picture, the Gauls/Celts (and therefore most of Europe) appear as a Rus-Phoenician mix. This then must describe Pan, where his goat half must depict the Rus (who were also the Getae Thracians) that later became the Goths and Jutes, even the bloodline of Odin. One may then trace the Russians to the Guti Aryans, who were, my gut tells me, the deepest root of European-Aryan (as opposed to Indian-Aryan) significance. In other words, the Guti are the deepest Aryan root of the Rosicrucians and of the Illuminati leaders of the European Union today. One can even wonder if our English "god" was itself a variation of Guti/Goth, especially as my dictionary traces it to the Old Norse word, "god."

Steve Quayle, whose ideas I will discuss later, shows quite convincingly, through a treatment on Jordanes' history, that "Comarians" of Iran, otherwise called "Saka," split up. The break-away group ended up in Aria/Media...as the original Aryans, I presume, and I do note that the Guti Aryans may have been in Jordanes' secret view, since Jordanes was a Goth historian!

It is the break-away Saka whom I view as becoming both the Gorgons and Amazons of the Black sea; perhaps the Cimmerians of the Black sea were the other group (the main trunk) that arrived independently and/or at some other time. The term "Saka" has been found by modern archaeologists in an inscription pertaining to a highly-valued ruler of the Amazonian island of Lemnos... the island depicted as sacred to the Kabeiri cult.

A certain Markwart of the 20th century researched the "Rosomones," mentioned by Jordanes in the 6th century, and concluded that they were a Baltic (i.e. extreme-north) peoples of the designation, "Hros." I could read that term as Ros-Manes, where Manes is, in my opinion, the god depicting Armenia (anciently "Mannae"). It seems easily deduced, though you won't hear this from secular historians, that the far-north Rus were the Togarmites of Ezekiel 38, who are in fact said (by the prophet) to live in the far north, along with Gog. I say this because Togarmah was the son of Gomer.

My English dictionary defines "manes" like so: "In ancient Roman religion, the spirits of the dead, esp. of ancestors." The above would then seem to me to be an apt definition of a moon god, since Manes and other such terms referred to moon gods, while the moon is an apt symbol for dead souls. This definition of "manes" evokes the Russian god, Rod, a term which is said to mean, and who was in fact, the god of (Russian) ancestors. Although Rod and Rhoda refer to wheels and/or roads, the terms probably carried the secondary meaning of "root."

What seems conspicuous is that the Rusa kings begin to rule Armenia about the same time (730-40 BC) that the far-north Cimmerians begin to become prominent in the region. The capital of the Armenian empire was then moved from Van to Rusahinili (named after the Rusa king, obviously), just three miles from Van. But notice how "Rusahin," evokes the Ruthene, whom in Europe were also called the "Rusyn."

On the modern Bug river very near Kiev there lived the Neuri peoples, said Herodotus, and these it is believed by many were previously the Nairi peoples, rulers at Lake Van just previous to the arrival of the Cimmerians. In other words, what was the relationship, if any, between the Nairi and the Rosh?

[Update May 2006 -- This month I realized that the dragon bloodline out of Akkadia included Buzites, descendants of Nahor's son, Buz. Nahor was the brother of Abraham but living in Haran, not far to the south-west of Lake Van. The point is that while I was, at the time of this chapter's writing, hesitant to equate the Nairi with Nahor, I no longer am. End Update]

Therefore, it would seem that a migration of peoples from Van moved to the Bug river to become, or to live with, the Thracians there. But there's more, for Herodotus told that snakes attacked the Neuri from their north and caused them to flee to the Boudini, probably their relatives. And he wrote, "Every Neurian once a year becomes a wolf for a few days, at the end of which time he is restored to his proper shape" (IV.105). The terms "serpents" and "wolves" are clearly secret-society codeword for the Gorgons, but what is most helpful is the flight of these Armenians to the Boudini, for I have tied the Boudini to Odin line of Scandinavians and Merovingian Franks. [I see that "Boudini" may be rooted in "Buzite."]

Behold, the Halybes were alternatively called "Khaldi," and Khaldi just happened to be the god of the Nairi, showing that the Nairi were related to the Cimmerians (by blood) if indeed the Ialysos of Rhodes were a Cimmerian branch stemming from, or evolving into, the Halybes.

Rusa I built a monument to Khaldi, and that pegs the Nairi as relatives of the Rusa kings. Khaldi then becomes the root of the Nairi, and of the Rosh, and of the Russians, and of the Trojans, Lydians, etc. As the Khaldi can be connected to the Chaldeans, who were Semites in Akkadia/Mesopotamia, it seems certain that the Nairi were inherently Semites...and therefore likely Nahorites (mixed with Cimmerians).

An early (some say the first) king of Armenia was Sardur, while the capital of Lydia was Sardis. Herein is a visible link supporting what many say, that Armenia was related closely to regions in Phrygia (Gargara comes to mind as there was one in Armenia and one near Troy). Sardur was known as king of the Hurrians, and Hurrians had a capital on the Halys river (where the Halybes lived). [Nahor lived in Haran, a city of the Hurrians.]

Other Armenian kings styled themselves "Argishti," where "Argi" is possibly the root of Argos (Greece) but likely a variation of "Arya," root of "Aryan." More on this later, but note that the father of Argishti I was Menua, evoking Manes. Then, just prior to Rusa III, there ruled Erimena, perhaps to be read as Ari-Manes.
(http://www.aristotours.com/about_turkey/van.htm)

I realize that this Aryan view of the Sumerians, Babylonians and Hittites may fly in the face of Biblical evidence wherein we learn that Babylon and the Hittites were from Ham, but I will stick to my position that amid the Hamites there were Meshech, Gomarians, Madai, and perhaps other sons of Japheth, and that these bonded closely together precisely due to their being amid Hamites, and for that cause worshiped their Japhethite ancestors. Consider this statement:

"Teisheba, one of the main deities of the Urartians, is the Hurrian chief god Teshup the Storm-god. The wives of these gods are Huba and Hepat respectively."

(http://www.lostlanguages.com/urartian.htm)

[Update May 2006 -- I didn't know when I shared this quote that Abrahamic Sheba existed, let alone that he was important to the Rus line. Now I see that the god, Teisheba/Teshup, may be referring to a Sheba bloodline, or even to the main trunk of the (Abrahamic) Sabeans themselves, whom I think went on to become the Swedish "Suebi." I would now add that Huba/Hepat, the wife of Teisheba, may be inferring "Hebrew." End Update]

The Aryan Egyptians, who were the first to rule the Egyptian empire, were Gorgons associated with Crete (then Caphtor) abd operating under the banner of "Hept/Hotep." Therefore, note the Hurrian god (above), Hepat, and ask if it isn't the same as "Hotep" since after all the latter had "Hept" as a variation. The alternative of Hepat is given as "Huba."

True, the Egyptians proper were Hamites, but blonde mummies, among other clues, prove that their kings and queens were at first Aryans. Note how "Pharaoh" evokes "Parthi/Persia," and the Farsi peoples that the latter were known as. Myth is full of statements linking the Greeks with Egyptian rulers, and not just any Greeks, but the dragon bloodline devoted to ancestry, explaining why Egyptian myth parallels Greek myth.

Consider the Armenian-Hurrian god Teisheba, who, because he was married to Hept, makes for us a connection between Armenia and Egypt. This god furnished the name of the Armenian capital (at Lake Van) called "Tushpa."

A website says, "Plato (Cratylus 407c) explains that Hephaistos' name comes from Phaistos," a city on Crete. Yet I must ask if they are coincidences that "Heph" looks like the root of "Caphtor," and that "Caphtor" looks like it may have furnished "Aigyptos/Egypt" itself (or vice-versa)? As the root of "Egypt" may therefore be "Gyp(t)," don't the Gypsies come to mind who originate in the Greek locality of Gyppe?

Perhaps this cult has roots in the Greek goddess, Hebe, for she was the daughter of Zeus and Hera, and married to Hercules. Because the Romans called her "Juventes," she seems to depict the same peoples as Jove i.e. Jupiter. I can also see that "Juventes" looks like "Abantes," the name of the Euboeans under Ares' command and who settled and named the Aventine hill of Rome as the mythical "Cacus." Javan (son of Japheth) also comes to mind.

[Update May 2006 -- If Hercules, a Danaan branch of Gorgons, "married" Hebe-rews, then the assertion by some that the Greek Danaans were of the Israelite tribe of Dan seems more convincing. However, Dedan, brother of Sheba, was a Hebrew, and it may have been he who became the Danaans, especially if Hebe was the same as the Egyptian Hept, for Hept was "married" (i.e. allied) to Teisheba. Gosh, folks, that makes a lot of sense. End Update]

In Thrace was the Hebros valley, named after the god "Hebros," who was the offspring of Rhodope, eponym for the mountains of Rhodope (in Thrace). While some would think that these were Hebrews, I'm not so easily jumping onto that wagon, usually a British-Israel wagon. Consider the following statement:

"Loved by Apollon, Rhodope gave birth to Kikon after whom the Kikones [or Caucones] tribe of Thrace were named. She married Haimos a son of Boreas and the two initiated a cult in Thrake calling themselves Zeus and Hera. As punishment they were metamorphosed into mountains. Her father's stream was renamed after her son Hebros."

http://66.90.77.92/Okeanos/Strymon.htm

We can see the hint of the myth writers, telling that Boreas and Rhodope were equivalent to the Zeus-Hera symbolism. This shows that Zeus was indeed a depiction of Thrace (i.e. as was Boreas), while "Hera" may now be seen as the Rhoda peoples if indeed Rhodope is a Rhoda/Rhodes variation. This makes sense in that "Hera" is a feminine "Hero" and may therefore depict the Rus/Hros.

Could "Hebros" be read as "Hebe-Ros"? Could "Hebe" modify to "Kiev," the cradle of the Slav Russians? Couldn't the Rhodope Gogi have furnished the Russian god of ancestors, Rod, and his wife, Rozanica? Couldn't that latter term furnish "Ruthene"? My conclusion is that the Rusahinili branch of Rosh (in Armenia) moved to the Rhodope mountains and deposited a Gogi-Hebe mix of peoples there.

[Update May 2006 -- I have recently concluded that the dragon line is a Hebrew-Russian mix, so that the above hypothesis, "Hebe-Ros," is all the more compelling to me. End Update]

While I view all three, Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, as Gorgon peoples, the question is, which Gogi peoples were the big-cheese mentioned by Ezekiel (in 585ish BC)...i.e. who ruled over all three above? Was it Alyattes, king of Lydia from about 610 to 560? After all, he did defeat the Cimmerians and then pushed the Meshech and Tubali toward Georgia.

Or was big-cheese-Gog a faction of the Scythians, hundreds of miles east in the Mede/Caucasian theater? Herodotus claimed that Scythians ruled 28 years over "Upper Asia." In Book One, he said that the Halys river formed almost the entire boundary of Lower Asia, so that in his view Upper Asia would be west of the Halys, including Lake Van and the Caucasus mountains. During these 28 years, we find (from Herodotus) that the Scythians had ruled also Media. Moreover, the 28-year rule began as a result of defeating the Medes, while it ended as a result of the Medes revolting, wherefore the period had to come to an end prior to 614, for it wasn't until after the 28 years that the Medes were able to arise to the task of taking Nineveh (614-612) from the Assyrians.

What this means is that the 28-year period did not touch the time when Ezekiel wrote chapter 38. Moreover, Herodotus claimed that the Scythians, after the 28 years, retreated back to their homeland in Crimea, and therefore out of Caucasia, and never returned. This makes one hard-pressed to explain how they could have become the Biblical Gogi in 585ish BC (although Herodotus isn't always correct in his facts). Moreover, the Cimmerians are no longer a power in Asia as of their defeat to Lydia; my 1970 Britannica places that defeat between 637 and 626 BC...although I read dates online as late as 609, which place the event in the early reign of Alyattes.

This tends to put emphasis back on the Lydians, with Alyattes being possibly Gog himself. If Alyattes had conquered Asia even as far as to Syria's north, he would have been to Israel's north as well, but by no means would he have been in the "far north" if by that term north of the Black sea was Intended.

As you must know if you're a prophecy student, the king of Tyre in Ezekiel 28 is identified with Satan (verses 11-18). This prophecy was given by the Lord in 586/85 BC, the eleventh year (26:1) of the Israeli exile into Babylon. It perhaps tells that the Lydian army had actually been in Tyre: "Persia, Lud, and Put were in your [Tyre's] army, men of war to you." (27:10). The problem is, there were also "Ludites" from Ham (Genesis 10), though I think in the above scripture, "Lud" could be referring to Lydia instead (I do not, as others do, equate the Hamite Ludites with Lydia).

If so, one can conjecture that Lydia's army was attempting to free Tyre from the Assyrians who had previously conquered the city (not to mention much of Israel as per the Israeli exile into Assyria). This may certainly have been during the time (beginning in 663) that Lydians became embroiled in the Egyptian theater, in opposition to the Assyrians. As the latter part of verse 10 says that the three peoples mentioned "hung the shield and the helmet in you [Tyre]; they gave your splendor," it's made obvious that Lud soldiers entered into Tyre as champions over the Assyrians. Could not, therefore, the king of Tyre, described as Satan in Ezekiel 28, be a Lydian king -- i.e. Alyattes -- even the Gog to whom God speaks ten chapters later (38th), from whom end-time Gog stems?

On the other hand, the Satanic king of Tyre may have been of the Scythians, for Scythians had crossed from Asia Minor all the way to Egypt prior to their demise. (http://www.chicagocoinclub.org/chatter/2000/Aug/)

The beginning of the end of the Urartian empire is said to have occurred three years after the Medes caused the fall of Assyria in 612. At this time also the Medes had attacked Mannai. A hard blow to Urartu came when, in 590 BC, the Medes burned Rusahinili.

The end of Ezekiel 33, according to Ezekiel 1:2 in conjunction with 33:21, was written during or just after the 12th year of Jehoiachin's exile. That 12th year can be, and has been, categorically pinned down by historians to 585 BC (the last year of Zedekiah's reign in Judah). Therefore, I'm assuming that Ezekiel 38 was written at the earliest in 585. I note that chapter 1 through to chapter 33 was written between the 5th and 12th year of Jehoiachin's exile, a period of only seven years, wherefore chapters 34-38 could have been written in 585, especially as all five chapters deal with the same subject, end-time Israel's restoration i.e. the Millennium. Of course, there's no telling whether Ezekiel's sequence of chapters is chronological.

Britannica wrote that, "In 612 B.C., on the fall of Assyria, or soon after, Urartu was overthrown by a Scythian army and incorporated in the Median empire." From other sources, we find that the Scythians gave Urartu the fatal blow in 585. This report, however, the details of which seem scarce online, contradicts Herodotus when he said that the Scythians had previously returned to Azov, never to return to the Urartu theater,...unless the Scythians who struck Urartu in 585 were another group altogether that Herodotus was not commenting on. In any case, those who struck in 585 would be, in my mind, the best option for identifying the Gog of Ezekiel's text.

The Medes had their backs to their vassals in Rusahinili when fighting the Lydians to the west (at the Halys river) for five subsequent years -- 590-585 -- and that allowed the Scythians to plow through Rusahinili in 585. The five-year war at the Halys was a stalemate, and it's possible that Lydia retained power throughout that period along the southern coast of the Black sea all the way to Georgia. In that case, perhaps the Lydians and the Scythians together ruled over Rosh, Meshech and Tubal.

As Rosicrucians claim roots in Egypt and Phoenicia, a look at Tyrian roots is warranted. It is said by some that Tyrians (to be distinguished from the Canaanites of that city) originated in the Persian gulf islands, especially the one called "Tyloi." This term evokes the "Daktyloi" of Greece, who were the proto-Trojans, and this squares nicely with the idea that Trojans fleeing the Trojan war fled to Tyre (to find protection among relatives). "Daktyloi" is said to mean "10 fingers," but, as always, secret societies assign double meanings to their codes. The 10 fingers may refer to the 10 kings of Atlantis (i.e. 10 sons of Poseidon).

Phoenicia became an extension of the "Punt" nation in Egyptian realms, a term that apparently furnished "Phoenicia/Phoenix." While Zeus and Europa are said to be king Minos and the Minoans, where those terms evoke Manes, the first Egyptian dynasty was ruled first of all by the historical king Menes; note that his wife was Hept. The Egyptian god, Min, after whom king Menes named himself (apparently), was of little doubt the root of Minos (of Crete), that root being Manes. It's difficult to fathom that these same terms stand as the root of the Russians.

Aryan-Egyptian kings commonly styled themselves as Min-Hept (i.e. "Amon-Hotep" to be historically accurate). Athens was the origin of the dragon bloodline of Crete, and the city had the symbol of "Athena," but she was a Libyan goddess...whom the Romans called "Minerva." The Etruscans called her "Menrva," by which I mean to show that Athena and Manes were the root of the Etruscans (as well as of the Romans). Athena and Manes are thus equated, an idea that's solved when we learn that Athena is said to be named after the region of Attica, and Attica after the god, Attis (descendent of Manes). It would therefore seem that the Phoenicians, an extension of the Aryan-Egyptian rulers, were likewise from Manes...and therefore from Armenia.

Hermes, another term that I equate with Armenia, is, I have personally discovered, the root of the Gypsies. The origin of the Gypsies is said to be in Egypt by some, but this is controversial...perhaps those Egyptian Gypsies were first of all Greeks. Let's consider the Roma group of Gypsies:

"Another interpretation claims that they acquired the name "gypsies" from their settlement in the Greek Peloponnesus near a village named "Gyppe" (see Burleigh and Wippermann, 1991:331n). The people fairly consistently call themselves Rom, or Roma."

(http://www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/gypsies.html)

As for the location of Gyppe: "Modon (Methoni)...[at] a hill called Gyppe where many Rroma lived..."

Methoni belonged to the Lelegians/Leleges; the city was in Messenia at the south-western tip of Peloponnesus. Pausanias said that "Mothoni" was probably the daughter of Oineas/Oeneus, he being the Lelegian king of Arcadia who was associated with the wild Dionysus wine bash. Nicholas de Vere, an outspoken leader of the modern dragon bloodline, claimed that the bloodline passed through the ancient Mittani peoples of the Hurrian kingdom; I mention this in case Methoni is an extension of the Mittani.

Assuming that the Gypsies of Methoni were Lelegians, I would add that Lelegians were also in Asia Minor, at their city of Pedasa, in Caria. Assuming also that Carians came to make up a good portion of the Methoni Gypsies, then I would add that, by their own admission (according to Britannica) Carians were "brothers" to the Etruscans. Concluding that Gypsies were thus related to the Etruscans, I would conclude that (even though we're not supposed to make the Rome connection, say the historians) certain Gypsies call themselves "Roma" in that they were the Etruscans founders of Rome. In this sense it could be true that the Gypsies did not become the Romans, for the Romans can be distinguished (though slightly) from the Etruscans.

Another term denoting Gypsies is "Gitan," strongly evoking the Getae Thracians, who were themselves commonly called the "Getan." If that's not enough, the Goths (of ancient Sweden), whom many say extend from the Getae, were called "Gutan." And suddenly the Gypsies can be seen as Scandinavians, and therefore as the roots of the Russians.

The Guti Aryans, whom I'm assuming were the roots of the Gypsies (and almost all of Europe with them), were from the Zagros mountains of Iran; Media lay just past these mountains. Behold that Dionysus is also called "Zagreus," no doubt an eponym of the Zagros mountains. Dionysus, being a Greek entity but having roots in Thrace, must therefore have been of the Getae Thracians...and at the root of the Gitan Gypsies. This idea is supported by the fact that Hermes (especially Pan) and Dionysus are connected strongly by various myths and mythological writings.

The Guti were chased away from Akkadia by king Uthegal of Uruk, who was the Utu bloodline, for Britannica spells his name "Utukhegal" (to be read as Utu-Khegal) and moreover has him writing, "Inanna [i.e. Ishtar] is my support, Dumuzi, the Heavenly dragon of the Mother, has secured my destiny."

[Update June 1st, 2006 -- It has just occurred to me, this minute, that in conjunction with my new hypothesis wherein Nahor and his son, Buz, furnished some major Aryan-Hebrew peoples (e.g. Buzi Medes), that Nahor's eldest son, whom my English Bible calls "Uz" but whose name is "Uwts" in the Hebrew text, may have named the Utu sun-god peoples. What this picture demands is that the dragon of Revelation, as well as the Great Mother harlot that rides on its back, are Hebrew entities. Shocking as that comes to me this minute, I realize that the Harlot is not to be viewed as Jerusalem, as some have conjectured, for the Hebrews of Sumeria/Akkadia were not Israelites, and especially not Jews. End Update]