The Veres claim to stem from the Mittani, who were Hurrians on the south side of the Black sea, and so my natural reaction is to peg them as the Hermes line out of Armenia. I say that to set up the next thought, that the Mittani may have been the peoples who founded Methone (Greece) and it's environs, Messene, where formed Greek-Egyptian peoples (i.e. including Gypsies from Hermes) who partook in the Gaul migration, namely the Danaans.

The Veres, as with other Merovingians, were intimately involved with the Templars. Some of the Templars worshiped Baphomet, a goat deity, showing that at least some Templars traced back to Pan (son of Hermes) and therefore the Getae-Pan alliance that became the Gaul migration. Nicholas de Vere confessed that his bloodline traces back to the Baphomet worshipers, and those who so trace themselves took part, I think, in the land route to Gaul, as opposed to those who sailed by sea. At this time I don't have much of an historical clue as to which route the Veres took, but one can, if the way is known, follow the path taken by the mythical boar.

From the Mittani in Asia, the Vere family is said (by Nicholas de Vere) to take a huge jump to the Danaan of Britain. The particular Scythians that are part of that jump are left unidentified. In other words, Nicholas skips over the Greek theater, so my job here to fill in the gap the best I can. As the Veres depicted themselves with a boar, I am tempted to view their bloodline stemming from the peoples of Corinth.

Problem: I recently learned that the Pollock boar has an arrow through the shoulder so that the family might depict those who killed the Calydonian Boar, the royal Calydonians. As the Pollock boar is yet alive with the arrow through it, perhaps the family is from Atalanta, who was made to shoot the boar first, but to leave it alive for Meleager to kill. To tie the Pollock clan to Stewarts (the fitz-Alans), one Pollock website writes:

"The earliest known Pollocks...came to Scotland with Walter FitzAlan, about the year 1147; which Walter was a son of Alan Fitz Flaald, and a brother of William FitzAlan, sheriff of Shropshire.

"There can be no doubt but that the Pollock Crest - a wild Boar, passant, struck through with a dart [common arrow] - began as a badge, before the introduction of Crests, for there is a cast of a seal in the British Museum, which was used by Robert de Polloc, grandson of Fulbert, showing this boar with dart which they date about 1200. "

http://www.railwayancestors.fsnet.co.uk/prices.html

Let's entertain the idea that the Pollok clan of about 1200 AD knew their roots in the Caledonians of Scotland, and that these peoples had been regarded as a settlement of Greek Calydonians. As the Veres were from the Picts, while the Caledonians are considered a Pict tribe, a Pollok-Vere equation/marriage seems likely at some point in time.

[Update June 2006 -- When we compare the Bert family Coat of Arms to that of the Pollock Coat, we see that both use the three cornucopia (there you can see the boar shot through, in the Crest on the helmet. The boar appears brown). The Berts are said (by the website) to be named after "Bartholomew," and that the names derive from Anglo-Saxons of Britain long before the Conqueror. The Bert name derives first of all in Devonshire, Cornwall, which was in red-dragon Cimmerian country.

Devonshire was named after the "Dewnann," which must have been the Danann. Why would the Berts settle there in what might have been the original Danaan settlement? I'm suggesting that the Berts knew their relationship to the old Danann of Devonshire, and that the Veres were from those same Danann, perhaps even the Bert family itself since "Vere" and "Bert" are very similar. The Danaan, as rulers of western Atlantis, settled Ireland, then returned to northern Scotland (inter-married with others) as the Picts, but then settled Norway in forming the Dane side of the Saxons and Angles, from whom came the Veres and the Berts, and also the Stewarts. End Update]

I've traced the Danann in part to the Aryan Egyptians at the French coast of Massalia/Marseilles (see Via Della Rose chapter), who were in turn from the mythical brothers Danaus and Aigyptus. Aigyptus went first to live at Messene, according to the Greek writings, and, according to Pausanias, Messene was made the daughter of Triopas, he being the son of Helios and Rhoda! If that weren't enough, it turns out that Danaus was a peoples living on Rhodes. In short, the Danaan-Rhodians became the Redones at Massalia.

You can bet your prize boar that the Messenes were somehow connected to the Rose-Line island of Rhodes. In fact, while the daughter of Triopas was the founding peoples of Messene, Triopas' son was a founding ruler at Rhodes. But just wait till you find out where Triopas' son was from. I would suggest that Triopas depicted the three grandchildren of Helios and Rhoda: Kamiros, Lindos and Ialysos.

What does the rose line have to do with the boar line? The boar line came from Artemis on the north shore of the Black sea. The boars were therefore Hyperboreans and the Boreans/Thracians of Ares. In Atlantis (the Aegean sea), it gave birth to the rose line (a Cimmerian bloodline). I had suspected a Danaan-Rhodes connection, but never in my greatest expectations did I think the Danaans would be from Rhodes.

The Roman emperor Diocletian had executed Arrius Aper and then boasted that he had killed a boar, for "Aper" meant "boar." Others think that the boar symbol originated in "Eboricum" (Roman version of "York") because "Ebor" looks like "boar." I wonder, then, if "Boreus" (and therefore "Hyperborean") was rooted in "boar." What about "Hyperion, father of Helios? Should that term be read as Boar-Ionions? The goddess of Argos, Io, did come to Argos (Greece) from the Hyperboreans, for myth records that the founders of Argos were Opis and Arge from the Hyperboreans. Boars, the animals, are prolific in Russia to this day. Warriors of northern Europe crested their helmets and their swords with the boar's image, and "war/var" (Vere?) may have been a term derived from "boar" (Old English "bar").

Danaus had fled Aigyptus and stopped at Rhodes prior to moving on to rule Argos. That's myth, so it wasn't a stop-over for a drink at the local marina, but rather it was a mixing of peoples over a drawn-out period. In fact, myth had Danaus building the city of Lindos (inhabited to this day) on Rhodes. As Lindos was one of three sons of Kerkaphos (or "Cercaphus"), the Greek Danaans were from Kerkaphos' father, Helios, and therefore from Hyperion, which fits in that myth reveals the Danaans rooted in Io. The Egyptians that wrought the Danaans were thereby Aryan-Egyptian rulers. Kerkaphos no doubt depicted Gorgons (proto-Parthians). Therein is how the British Danann should be counted as part of the Rose Line, and why that line ought to be viewed as a Gorgon-Egyptian one.

Thus Rhodians can be viewed as the Danaans themselves, explaining also why the offspring of Hercules came to rule the island. With that in mind, recall that Hercules invaded Britain in the golden grail-ship of Helios, suggesting that it was the Danaans from Mycenae (a city twinned with Argos) that invaded Britain (successfully). These were the land-route Danaan; there were yet the sea-route Rhodians/Danaan that joined the invasion...depicted by the ship of Helios in alliance with Hercules. Holy-Grail lore therefore goes as far back as the writing of that particular myth. Note also that the mother of Danaus was Anchinoe, yet another term evoking Enki (and the Yngvi/Ingaevones?) of Eridu.

Pausanius had Triopas giving birth to an "Agenor," and because Triopas was son of Helios and Rhoda, Agenor's son, Phoenix, became a Rose-Line codeword. As Pausanius was focusing on the founders of Argos and their descendants, the Rose Line is thereby identified as the first rulers of Argos...from which the Danaans of Egypt stemmed. The Veres are thus a Rose Line family.

Perhaps the Merovingians were misled by the erroneous claims that Danaus was the tribe of Dan itself, explaining why Merovingians themselves claimed to be connected to Israel. This to me is more the trick of the devil (i.e. of the dragon-line Illuminatists) to make us believe that that their sacred pagan bloodlines are based in God's plan to establish the Biblical Millennium. You will find that it's the cults (e.g. Armstrongism, Irvingism) of Illuminati stripes that propagate the idea that Denmark and Britain were founded by Dan and other Jews; other globalist Illuminatists are trying, as we speak, to connect the Merovingians to Jesus blood itself.

The bottom line seems to be that the Greek Danaans were a major root of the Redone Gauls, the "Aereda" (that term sure does look like "Eridu"). This is further evidence that the British Danann stemmed from the Redones, and the latter are to be lumped into the Rose-Line cult. Moreover, it suggests a Vere connection to the Gauls of northern Italy...who became the French Gauls. In the following quote I see a mixing of the sea-faring Danaans and the land-trekking Danaan of northern Italy: "The initial [Phocaean] leader [of Massalia] married a Ligurian princess"
http://www.portergaud.edu/cmcarver/gcol.html

After connecting the Veres to both Boulogne (France) and Bologne (Italy) based in a Vere-Bolg connection that I deduced, I came across this quote from an article on Vere history: "Many Flemish families were settled [at Ver in the Cotentin], and the early adoption of their quartered coat, gules and or, hints at a de Vere connection with Boulogne."
http://www.baronage.co.uk/bphtm-02/moa-11.html

[Update July 2006 -- It's perhaps Cutha-pertinent that the Cuthbert Coat uses the same Vere colors, gules and or (red and gold), with nothing but a blue serpent in the Coat's Chief (top third of the Coat). End Update]

Pollux depicted not the Calydonian Boar, but one of the crew aboard the Argo ship that was involved in hunting and "killing" that boar. This agrees with the Pollok family likewise not being the Calydonian Boar because the family depicted itself (as early as 1200) with a boar shot through with an arrow. As Ligurians depicted the wolf line, ditto for Pollux who depicted Ligurians; I am tempted to view "Pollux" (a Roman term, not Greek) as Po-Loki/Po-Lugi (Ligurians were on the Po river). "Bologne" might likewise be read as "Po-Lugi" (though I have another theory).

The Lugii are thought to have been the Lingones previously (see map of Gaul, click map to enlarge), at the tip of the Siene river. An article on the Lugii says (italics mine), "The Buri, who according to Ptolemy were part of the Lugians..." ( http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Lugii )

The same article says that (italics mine) "Klaudius Ptolemeus [Ptolemy] mentions the Lugi Omani, the Lugi Diduni and the Lugi Buri located on or near the upper Vistula." The Vistula was in Poland, which I read as PoLand rather than PolLand.

[Update July 2006 -- Could the Lugi Diduni have been from Dedan and/or from the Taddei surname that I am tracing to Wales/Cornwall?End Update]

The Lugi Buri lived in Silesia, Poland, near/at the location where Merovingians would originate. They were of a Marcomanni federation, which in turn was a Suebi peoples (from Sweden). It is the opinion of others that the Buri were not the Lugii, but rather from Sweden (connection with Frey therefore possible), whereupon coming down to Poland they mixed with the Lugii. The question is, did they mix with the Lugii because they had previously stemmed from the Lugii? That the boar was sacred to the Gauls is known from Arduinna, the "Gaulish (Celtic) goddess of the moon, hunting, and forests. She was very popular in the Ardennes, to which she gave her name. She is accompanied by a boar, her sacred animal. The Romans equated her with their Diana." ( http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/arduinna.html )

Diana was Artemis (the boar originated in Artemis, remember). It would appear that Ardenne should be read as Ar-Diana where Diana may be an allusion to the Danaan? Ardenne was where the word "Belgica" appears on this map of Gaul, on the border of Belgica and Lugdunensis (later Luxembourg), in the thick of Merovingian territory. It's a little interesting that a hog sacrificed to Arduinna had a symbolic apple stuck into its mouth, the apple perhaps being a symbol of the Apple Line and/or Avalon. We find that in Arthurian legend the name of England is "Logres," evoking the Ligurians and the god, Lug, who likely depicted the Lugii peoples that named Lugdunensis.

The Veres came to live where the "Venellii" appear (in Armorica) on the Gaul map. A peoples of Scandinavian myth called "Vinili" have been identified as Lombards/Longobards, and I do have reasons to think that these Bards, who were definitely a part of Merovingian make-up, were the Pollok Berts.

Now behold (I always use that old-theatrical word to make sure you're listening): Perseus and Andromeda gave birth to Gorgophone and Sthenelus. Gorgophone then gave birth to Tyndareus who gave birth to Pollux. Because Pollux' mother was Leda the Swan, while king Cycnus of Liguria was depicted as a swan, we can identify Cycnus-Ligurians as Leda/Pollux peoples, which is then verified in that the father of Cycnus was given the name "Sthenelus"...meaning that Ligurians also stemmed from Sthenelus, brother of Gorgophone.

Moreover, the Merovingians themselves claimed to descend from both Antenor-Trojans and Spartans. The easy way for them to have known that is by knowing their connection to both the Veneti and the Pollux peoples, for the Veneti are known to stem from Antenor, and Pollux from Sparta. Convinced by these details that the Pollok clan fits well into the history of the proto-Merovingians as it pertains to Lombards, Vandals and Poland, I don't tend to agree with the first-given meaning of "Pollok" in the sentence below, but thoroughly agree with the rest of the sentence:

"The name Pollok is a place-name; it has been attributed to a Celtic origin, for its syllables translated may mean "little hill" or "little pool", but it might be Scandinavian and mean "head of Lok", or it might even go back to Roman times, when there were many Temples to Pollux..."

http://www.railwayancestors.fsnet.co.uk/prices.html

If it's possible for "Pollok" to mean "Head of Lok," why not "Head of Lug" since Pollux depicted Ligurians? I do believe, however, that Ligurians were the root of the Scandinavian Loki.

The online comment that Fulbert (earliest-known Pollok) "claimed descent from Clovis" could make the Polloks more Merovingian that the Veres since the Veres appear to have married into the Merovingians (rather than stemmed from them). The following statement (by Alex Pollock) connects the boar to Clovis:

"Fulbert came to England with Empress Maud about 1138. He was rich, for his sons built three castles, which could hardly have been done immediately out of the estates granted to them by Walter Fitz Alan. He brought the boar badge with him, which was a French royal badge going back to Clovis."

http://www.clanpollock.com/History/beginning.html

Okay, now we're getting somewhere. The boar goes back to the Franks. The problem is, I don't yet know what sort of boar the Merovingians used...to see if it matched the Pollok boar shot through with an arrow. But the Merovingian ruler, Dagobert, comes forcefully to mind. Dog-Bert? The Vere boar was blue, as was the boar of Edward III:

"Richard's famous heraldic badge or device of a white boar with gold tusks and bristles has been the subject of much speculation as to its origin.

"...the lordships and badges pertaining to the Duke of York and includes a blue boar for Edward III. Possibly as a descendent, Richard inherited this, but as a younger son had to difference it in some way and so in the symbolism so dear to the fifteenth century, changed the color to white to represent purity of heart and loyalty."

http://www.r3.org/rnt1991/deadlyboar.html

Purity of heart my stinking foot! Take a look at the boar of Richard III and see how it evokes the Ouroboros (round snake with tail in mouth), as well as incorporating the twining-serpent symbol that was a Hermes symbol as well as that of the Mushussu dragon (sun god of Babylon). As this symbol devised for/by Richard III had a rose (five petals) acting as the sun --in fact it is called "Boar and Rose-en-Soleil" -- the Rosicrucian rose is thereby revealed as the sun god, and this then reveals what the all-seeing eye is, the Rose Line: Helios and Rhoda.

Could "Edward" the boar king modify to "EdBard/EdBert"?

A quick perusal of the website above reveals that the boar was a symbol of honor to the House of York ("Pork"?). Perhaps the boar was blue to denote blue (royal) blood, but the change to white was clearly to reflect the White Rose of York, for the War of Roses took place under the reigns of Edward IV, Richard III (both Plantagenets), and Edward V. The Veres were in support of the Red Rose Lancastrians, and it may be that Veres used a blue boar even then, which, if so, connects them to Edward III. Behold, the Rose-clan Coat of Scotland uses a red boar! And the French Rose Coat uses three gold roses on red background, and two gold stars, the same as the Vere star (also gold). It's the German Rose clan that uses three red roses, very interesting indeed.

See the rose symbols of both York and Lancaster. Then see that on the day that Henry VII (Tudor) was made king, he adopted a red-dragon symbol, keeping in mind that Owen Tudor was from Wales (i.e. the Welsh dragon is also red). Henry Tudor had killed Richard III and while this led to the end of the War of Roses, Henry took on a red rose as his symbol. Both Houses used a Fleur de Lis as symbols; was this indicating a tie to the Merovingians specifically? Henry V of Lancaster used a swan as well as the Fleur de Lis.

One may see the Rose Line more vividly as part of the Gaul migration into Liguria where Rhoda can be connected to Cadmus and Harmonia, these two being the symbol of that migration. The daughter of Cadmus and Harmonia, Ino, is inconspicuously revealed as a peoples from Rhodes, for just as Ino was said to jump into the sea to become the goddess, Leucothea, so, earlier, Halia, the mother of Rhoda, was said to jump into the sea to become Leucothea. The myth writer(s) had therefore painted Ino in such a way as to identify her unmistakably (for those who had possession of the myths) as the Halia Telchines of Rhodes. So you can take this to the bank, that Cadmus and/or Harmonia depicted Telchines, but especially Ino. Therefore the Gaul migration (or at least the part important to Rosicrucians/Illuminatists) was of Telchine-Rhodes blood.

[Update July 2006 -- During the writing of a coming chapter, the Telchines turned out to be the Danaans themselves, connected closely to Cadmus, where the latter turned out to be a depiction of Cutha/Cati peoples on the Israeli ocean shore.]

The Telchines themselves were a branch of Argives/Aryans, but are also viewed as Curetes from Crete, who raised Poseidon as a boy on Rhodes (just as the Curetes raised Zeus on Crete). Thus Rhodes, being a symbol of Poseidon, was as much a symbol of Atlantis as Crete became it's capital. The Greek-to-Egypt connection of Poseidon is via the Telchines and Io, their mythical "wife."

The Sthenelus that was Gorgophone's brother had king Eurystheus (a Danaan) for a son, this being the Mycenaean king who sent Hercules on his Twelve Labors, one of which was to fetch Geryon's cattle. Because this tells that Geryon depicted the bloodline of Eurystheus, it means to me that the Geryon bloodline was put forth by the other Sthenelus (i.e. whom I see as an extension of the first), the king of Liguria...which is just what I have been saying all along, that Ligurians put forth the early British tribes, Parthalons, the Danann, Fir-Bolgs, etc.

Put it this way, that the myth writers, knowing that Geryon was of the same bloodline as Eurystheus, and knowing also that Geryon stemmed from Ligurians, gave the Ligurians the codeword "Sthenelus" precisely because Eurystheus was son of Sthenelus.

To trace Ligurians further to Aryan-Gogi blood, we find that Eurystheus was half the descendant of Pelops, he being the Golden Fleece line...the white-dragon Ares-Hermes-Aeetes bloodline that would immediately ascend Eurystheus' throne after him (through Atreus, son of Pelops).

Pollok connection to the Greek Danaans could be in this statement concerning Pollok roots: "...E. A. Langslow Cock wrote 'there are quite good reasons for the Clovis descent but also for descent from the Pharaoh’s of Egypt'"
http://www.railwayancestors.fsnet.co.uk/prices.html

As the Greek-to-Egypt connection is via Rhodes, a look at Triopas (son of Helios and Rhoda) is in order. :

"Triopas (three holes) the god is represented with a wooden statue which has three holes, two for the eyes and a third hole in the middle of the forehead."

http://www.druansha.com/owl/issue3/3Owl5.htm

This is how Zeus was depicted, in his earliest times, with three eyes. Therefore, Illuminati circles which to this day depict themselves with the all-seeing eye, are likely from Triopas i.e. the Argives. Just as I began to suspect that Triopas was of the Cecrops line, I found that his son was named "Erysichthon," which looks like a variation of Erechtheus/Erichthonius (of the Cecrops line). In fact, "There was another Erysichthon, the son of King Cecrops I of Athens"! Penny Chisholm emailed me to say that there is a Scythian-like portion in "Erysichthon," which may serve to reveal that this was the original of "Erichthonius," and moreover that the missing vowel between the "ch" and "th" is explained by "Scythian."
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mythology/Erysichthon.html

[Update July 2006 -- I have recently found that Ares and the Cutha were an alliance tracing back to the Aras river in Armenia/Caucasia, after which I suspect "Hros/Rosh" derives. I had also unmasked "Chthon" as codeword referring to the Cutha. But now, in re-reading this chapter, I suddenly see that "Erichthonius" and "Erysichthon" could be understood as Hrox-Cutha and Hrosi-Cutha respectively. The "Rox" version is warranted because the Aras river was also called the "Araxes." Clearly, Cecrops refers to these Caucasian peoples, especially as Gogar/Gogarene was a province right there on the Armenian/Tubal border. As I have recently found that "opis" means "bee," Cecrops and Triopas would both utilize that code, so that we may understand them to mean Cecro-Opis and Tri-Opis -- i.e. Gogar-Bee and Three-Bees respectively. End Update]

It's hard to believe that two different myth writers created that same name independently. It's clear to me that the two (Erichthonius and Erysichthon) were one and the same, wherefore Triopas can be viewed as the Cecrops people, even Cecrops himself. Just as Triopas was assigned the father, Phoroneus, who was also viewed as Kronos, so Cecrops was followed on the throne (because Erysichthon was already dead i.e. defeated in war) by a "Cranaus." This seems important because I have traced the Stewarts and the Crichtons tentatively to Erechtheus/Butes and Erichthonius respectively, though some think the two kings were one and the same. Erechtheus was the same as Butes, and with that in mind note that the Lugii were (according to Strabo) related and/or allied to the Butones.

As Phoroneus was the progenitor of the Argives, the popular Kronos who was the father of both Zeus and Poseidon was thereby the progenitor of the Argives. And Hesiod wrote that Phoroneus, with Hekateros (no doubt an allusion to the frog goddess, Hecate), gave birth to the Curetes -- they being both the ones who brought Zeus up as an infant and the proto-Trojans -- wherefore Zeus-proper peoples and Trojans stem from Argives. Therefore, we expect the Cecrops line to stem from Argives as well. In that case, it is expected that the Stewarts and Crichtons ought to be in Britain where Argives settled, and we do see that the Isle of Bute is in Argyll, that being the location roughly where the Cruithne crossed over to Scotland.

The boar line seems to be associated with the far north, and not with Rhodes and the related red lines of Aryan-Phoenicia and Aryan-Egypt. If the Goths were boars, then also the Jutes, and therefore Kent, and therefore Godfrey de Bouillon, for Godfrey descended from the kings of Kent. If it's true that Godfrey was of the Merovingian bloodline, and that the Vere line put forth Godfrey, then that could explain how the Merovingians and Veres both came to use the boar as their symbol.

To verify that the British Danann were a Calydonian-Boar line, the myth writer(s) painted this picture: "[Manannan] gave immortality to the gods through his swine, which returned to life when killed; those who ate of the swine never died."
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9050438

To connect the early British red tribes (i.e. Geryon) to Gaul, we have this: "Figures of boars appeared on British and Gaulish altars. In Irish myth there are divine, magical and prophetic boars..."

And, "Twrch Trywth was a king turned into a boar who was chased by Arthur and his warriors across Ireland, Wales and Cornwall, where it disappeared into the sea...Druids called themselves boars."
http://www.isle-of-skye.org.uk/celtic-encyclopaedia/celt_b2b.htm