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January 2007




Henceforth, I'm taking a good stab at de-coding Arthurian characters. Arthur is famous only because he is still a mystery, but realize that unsolved mysteries are typically elevated to heights they don't deserve, and when solved, they are anti-climactic. I'll introduce some solid evidence tracing the bloodline of mythical Lancelot to southern Italy.

I think I have discovered that Lancelot depicted the Vere-Fulk stock, and perhaps more specifically the Plantagenets on their non-Fulk side, from Fleche, Normandy...yet another term reflecting "Fulk." Lancelot was a special character introduced late into Arthurian myth by French and German writers, and as he was involved in discovering the holy grail, I think the bloodline he himself represented was a holy-grail line.

The green-red field of the Folk Coat is also the field of the Coat of Fulk de Cherbourg (displayed at website below). The city of Cherbourge is in the Manche region of Normandy, and because Veres also lived in Manche, while certain dragon-line Veres (Nicholas de Vere, anyway) claim to have been counts of Anjou even before the Fulks, the Veres and Fulks could have been the same family at one point in Anjou. This Vere-Fulk relationship can explain why Lancelot took Guinevere from Arthur, for I think the myth writer who coined that version of Arthur's wife knew that she depicted a bloodline with some Vere blood. Other than that blood, I suspect Guinevere to depict (Veneti-based peoples from) Gwenea, Brittany.
http://www.sca.org.au/herald/LRoA/Populace.php?startchar=E

Wondering where the green-red shield of the Folks derived, I found that the Bale Coat uses the same shield, that the family lived in Norfolk (as did the Folks), that they were from Normandy (as were the Folks), and that they came to England with the Conqueror (as did the Fulks). Houseofnames.com says, "There is some debate as to whether this name is related to the name 'Bailey,'" and when I checked the Bailey Coat (name said to derive from sheriff/bailiff/viscount), two points can be made: 1) There are (nine) white stars on blue field, the same scheme as on the American flag, and, 2) the Crest is a brown/gold boar, same as the Pollock/Polk Crest.

In other words, as Pollock/Polk evokes Folk, I would now conclude that the Bales were Fulks, and that Pollocks were likewise Fulks. The green background of the Pollock Coat should now connect with the green in the Folk Coat, and if I was correct in tracing the Pollock green and gold colors to Inge, the king of Sweden when Folke the Fat was the Swedish Jarl under him, I would seriously consider Pollock roots in the Folkes. In this picture, the (my) Fulk-of-Anjou connection to Varangians, found/concluded earlier, is all the more viable. Remember, Folke the Fat (and the legendary Folk Filbyter before him) were the progenitors of the House of Bjelbo, who used a gold lion on blue field (i.e. the colors of Anjou).

II think the gold fleur de lis were alternatives to gold lions. Take another look at the Arms of Montgomeryshire. There you see a gold lion on blue; the website below tells that "The gold lion on blue is from the arms of Roger de Montgomery, Earl of Shrewsbury, a leader of the Norman invasion of Wales." Yet, at the houseofnames.com, the current Montgomery Coat is three gold fleur de lis on blue background, the Arms of Anjou. Yes, there are many families and regions using the lis symbol (traced by many to king Clovis of France as the originator), but when the design is exactly the Arms of Anjou, might that not reveal the Montgomerys (under the Conqueror) to have been of the family stock through which Anjou received its blue and gold colors? The name seems to mean "mountain of Gomer," serving to explain why Montgomerys of the invasion settled at the border of Wales, for the Welsh to this day claim to be descended from Cimmerians (thought by many to be of Gomer).
http://www.civicheraldry.co.uk/wales_7496.html

Behold behold behold. At the first visit to the Geoffrey-of-Anjou (i.e. the first Plantagenet) webpage, I missed it, since the colors are not vibrant, but, at a second visit I saw in the painting that Geoffrey Plantagenet (son of Fulk V) is holding an emblem (or is it a shield?) with gold lions on blue background!! Templars used the same on their shields, verifying that at least some Templars were from the same stock as the Bjelbo Swedes. That Plantagenet used the lion symbol becomes a major key in my hunt, for I need only to find the origin of the lions in either his mother's or father's side to discover the origin of the Bjelbo Swedes. As one side is from the Fulk surname, and the other from the Fleche region, it would appear certain that the gold lions are from a Fulk stock.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_of_Anjou

Certain that Lancelot refers to a Fulk-related family in Normandy (reasons later), note that his two cousins were made "Lionel" and "Bors," what I wouldn't hesitate to identify as the lion of Normandy on the one hand and the blue Vere boar on the other.

Shrewsbury (a county in Shropshire) derives from the Saxon term, Scrobbesburh, the term that formed "Shropshire." I don't think it's a coincidence that some Fulks lived in Shropshire (i.e. as did the Montgomerys). While the Folks of Norfolk "were granted lands by William de Warrene and were conjecturally descended from Fulco [III] Nerra, the Count of Anjou, the Fulks in Shropshire were known to be from "Warine de Metz who became founder of the line of Fulk-Warines." That very phrase evokes a Fulk-Varangian possibility in the French theater.
http://www.shropshiretourism.info/castles/whittington/

We can verify that "Warine" and "Warren" are the same family by noting the blue and gold checks in each of their Coats. And see, too, the so-called "bugles" (that I think are cornucopia i.e. goat horns, symbol of the Sabina>Suebi) on the Warine Coat, for these should connect with the same on the Pollock/Polk Coat. Note the gold saltire on the Warine Crest, for the Pollock Coat uses a gold saltire.

The Fulks of Shropshire had hold of the Whittington castle. In one theory, the so-called Marion Chalice is connected to that castle and to Fulk, son of Warine: "Sir Fulk is the subject of a long rambling 13th century ballad which claims that the Grail was housed in his private chapel at Whittington Castle in Shropshire. It was removed to Alberbury Priory on his death, from where a further descendant, Robert Vernon, recovered it in the late 16th century."
http://www.britannia.com/history/arthur/marian.html

This gives some reason to suspect that the holy grail bloodline included Vernon. It's yet another Vere-like term. I checked the Vernon Coat and found it to reflect the Peverell Coat, which should be a full-proof connection because Peverells were in charge of the Whittington castle immediately prior to the Fulk-Warines, and in fact the latter were descended from the Peverells.

The Peverell surname seems suspicious as per the importance I seek in the green Vere beaver used in the Arms of Oxford. The German Beaver Coat, using variations of "Beber" = German for "beaver," is a blue and white shield that seems to be a branch of the German Warnier Coat. The latter uses a white pentagram in the Crest, which is also the symbol of the Veres. I mention this because the German Beaver/Beber surname has several Bebel-like variations, which strikes a chord with me due to the importance I have been placing on the German and English Babel Coat as pertaining to the family stock of those Freemasons who created the Great Seal of the United States. Are the white stars in the American flag copies of the so-called "Vere Star"?

Remember, due to the "beber" term meaning "beaver," I had identified the elephant in the Oxford Arms as Babar, now a cartoon elephant who dresses in green (as the article below will verify), and whose wife (Celeste) dresses in red. Babar represented (in the original non-cartoon book) a French elite (if not "illuminated") society colonizing Africa. Babar's cousin was Arthur.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babar_the_Elephant

The English Beaver Coat uses a black beaver as Crest, seen on gold background in the Coat. Because black on gold is a Hohen color, I suspect a Hohen link to this family. And lo and behold, the capital city of Hohen-ruled Brandenburg is Potsdam-Babelsberg. The red lions on gold in the Beaver Coat may belong to the Welles surname, a very important name in this story (as we shall see) that I link (if only loosely) to Lancelot, and to the triple red chevron on gold background.

"Warnier" is the German version of the English Warner surname, according to houseofnames.com (at its Warner page). The six red roses in the Warner/Werner Coat may be evidence of Rosicrucian links, which cult I ultimately view as Varangian. That is, my fundamental definition of "Rose Line" is Ros Line, alluding to the Varangian Rus.

The white lion on red, in the corner of the Warren Coat, should belong to the counts of Vermandois. See the English Herbert Coat and French Herbert Coat." The Warrens had gotten their blue and gold checks from Vermandois, while Herbert I through to Herbert VI (all of the same family) were early counts of Vermandois. Remember, these first counts were directly from Charlemagne, while white was the color of France, perhaps from the white dragon = the Saxons. The white lion on red is also the symbol of the Le Stranges, who are said in a myth-like romance to be directly from Fulk de Warine (for the story, see the website below). "[The Le Strange Coat of Arms] dates back to the siege of Caerlaverock Castle (Scotland) in 1300, where he displayed two argent lion..." This early coat is displayed at the website below, and uses a gold lion as the Crest. The Le Stranges were early in Shropshire.
http://www.ls.u-net.com/le_Strange/Legend.htm
http://www.ls.u-net.com/

The website above tells that Warine of Metz was "son of John, Duke of Brittany," and indeed I found the Coat of John, Duke of Brittany at this Lord of Richmond website, which as you can see has blue checks on gold background (i.e. as does the Warren Coat). The ermine design in the top corner depicts Brittany, and to be sure, see the Ermine Coat of John of Brittany on the same page (it's made fully ermines). But what may be important is that the Coat of Alan, Earl of Brittany and Richmond, used the very same ermine Coat; it's important because his name may connect with the Alan Stewarts of Brittany.

It looks very much as though the "holy" bloodline is Germanic rather than merely French, and that the French, originally Germanics themselves, were carriers of the blood. Vermandois may for that reason trace to Worms, though I still hold respect for an Avar-Manda interpretation because I have traced this Daphne-based cult back to Manda-branch Avars. The Worm-family Crest is a green wyvern but with front legs. The wyvern dragon may have derived from Werner of Worms, the progenitor of the German Salian dynasty that is defined as four successive Roman emperors from Franconia. Werner evokes "Vernon." At the above Worm-Coat link, you can verify that "wurm" is "the Middle High German and Middle Low German word for snake or dragon."

Again, the German Werner Crest uses a white star like that of the Veres, and the English Warner Coat uses six red roses...that may lead to Vere-supported Lancaster, a city renown for using the red rose as its symbol, the location historically of Warrington. The English Warners were first found in Leicester(shire), and after I saw that the "Lei" root of the term could depict the fleur de lis, I checked and behold, the first earls of Liecester were a string of Robert Beaumonts, while the Beaumont Coat is laced with eight (gold) fleur de lis (on blue background), with a gold lion in the center.

When I found that "Leicester" is pronounced "Lester," I checked that surname too and indeed found it to be a version of "Leicester" and "Leycester." This Lester Coat uses three gold fleur de lis on blue, a swan on the Crest, and "The ancient roots of the Lester surname come from the Anglo-Saxon culture." The Merovingian Franks were from Saxons, in my opinion, and were moreover early married to Suebi and Lombards (a tribe of Suebi) nobles. But that swan is interesting, because the Montgomery Coat uses three fleur de lis on blue as well, while the Arms of Montgomeryshire include a swan!

Recall in the previous chapter that the gold lis on blue of Anjou had mixed with the red and gold diamonds of Angouleme, which diamonds can be seen in the Arms of the Counts of Angouleme to be a version of the English Vaux squares. Now see that the first Robert Beaumont (of Liecester) had married the countess of Meulan, and that the Arms of Meulan are nothing but red and gold checks.

Next, behold at the link above that the Lester/Liecester surname was first found in Cheshire. Then see that the Lee surname of England was "First found in Cheshire," and that a variation is "Leigh," evoking Lie(cester). I've already mentioned that the Leighton Coat uses the reverse of the Vere shield, and a black wyvern as the Crest.

My next point is in support of a theory made long ago, first introduced to me by Greenway7, that the Lee surname and the fleur de lis are code words for "Levi," a surname the holders of which claim to be from the Levite priests of Israel. Note the black and gold stripes in the Lee Crest. I wound not have had any idea when Greenway first mentioned this theory that black and gold belong to Flanders and to the Hohens. In particular, the black lion on gold belongs to both Flanders and the Hohens. Is it a coincidence, therefore, that the French Levi Coat is three black chevron on gold? Is it another coincidence that the "Jewish" Levi Coat uses two black lions (on white/silver background)? Nay, for Hohens are a Cohen branch, and Cohens likewise claim to stem from Levites.

Moreover, Hohens display three red chevron on their Arms of Brandenburg Electorate. Hohens became rulers of Brandenburg-Prussia, and then see the Pots/Botts Coat, and read that the surname was "First found in East Prussia." Then see the six red roses of the German Butt/Bot/Bute Coat, that it was "First found in East Prussia." The question is, was there a connection between these six red roses of the Pot-like surname and the six red roses of the Werner Coat, a surname first found in Leicester? Perhaps, for the Lester/Leicester Coat is the reverse of the French Pots Coat. In this picture -- if true that Leicester refers to the lis, and the lis to the Levi surname -- the German Pots (and likely the Butts/Butes) were of Levi stock, wherefore the Potsdam portion of the capital city was so named after that stock. It may even be that the island of Rothesay, mythical Avalon, was renamed "Bute" after these Prussian elements. Arthur's knight Bedivere no doubt depicted the Bute peoples. Bedivere "serves as King Arthur's marshal and is frequently associated with Sir Kay. Sir Lucan is his brother..." I don't think it's a coincidence that I traced Lancelot and Arthur to Lucania (south Italy) and Calabria just a couple of days before learning that Lucan was Arthur's very good buddy. Sir Kay is often "Cai," a term that perfectly reflects the fellow tribe of the holy-grail Cati of Cilicia: the Kai.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Kay

From the Robert-Beaumont bloodline of Leicester came Simon, who married a daughter of Montfort and so became styled, Simon de Montfort. The second Simon de Montfort lost the earldom of Leicester, and ultimately it evolved (see website below) into the Duchy of Lancashire (the similarity of the terms is coincidental, for the two localities were not the same). One may therefore wonder if the red rose of Lancaster derived from Liecester. The Montfort Coat is a white lion on red (symbol of Vermandois and Warren), and although the Montfort name originated in Normandy, they were "First found in Warwickshire" (England)...because Montfort's ancestor, the first Robert Beaumont, was the first earl of Warwick (1082).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Leicester

Houseofnames.com has the Lancastrian town of Warrington (founded by Warringtons) ruled by "one of William the Conqueror's favourite Barons," Roger de Poitou. If the red rose of Lancaster is of Rosicrucian elements, then Roger may just be important, for he was made the first earl of Lancaster. Houseofnames.com does not state, but only implies, that Roger was himself a Warrington. This makes sense where I trace the Rosicrucian rose to Varangian Rus, especially where "Warrington" and "Varangian" are so similar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_of_Poitou

Roger of Poitou married the sister of Boso III, and the latter had married an unknown Engeltrude. This seems pertinent toward my theory that Inger the Varangian had family in the Poitou/Orleans region, and that his relatives included Engeltrude of Paris or Engeltrude of Orleans. The Warringtons may just have been the Inger-family of Varangians, therefore.

I believe that Varangians stemmed from Redones, who can be seen labelled in Armorica on this alternative map of Gaul," and yet they were probably also the Reudigni Saxons mentioned by Tacitus, for Tacitus also lumped the Varini amongst his list of peoples that included the Reudigni. Tacitus located these peoples in southern Denmark and/or south of Denmark. How did Redone Gauls become Saxons? By intermarriage with Saxons, we can assume. It is very compelling to view the Redone-Saxon mix as the essence of the first Franks, and because Franks turn up not long after Tacitus wrote, they may have been the Varini if indeed these became "Varangi."

I also believe that Redones ultimately trace back to Rhodes, wherefore the following may become an important statement because it traces the Clare triple red chevron to the first state of the United States, Rhode Island:

"Glocester's coat of arms appears with three red arrowheads divided by three red chevrons upon a golden shield. This device is based on the arms of Gloucester, England, which uses three red chevrons. The arms of the ancient family of Clare, who were Earls of Gloucester, made the distinction by the addition of ten torteaux ('roundels' or half-circles). In Glocester's arms the torteaux have been changed to three arrowheads to signify that Glocester, Rhode Island is in America."

http://www.glocesterri.org/ourtown.htm

Another article tells that "Italian explorer Giovanni da Verrazzano, upon discovering nearby (present-day) Block Island named it Rhode Island because of its similarity in shape to the Greek island of Rhodes." In the end, it was Rhode Island that got the name. The point is, I think this explorer, whose name evokes Vere-Rus or Var-Rus, had far-off Rhodes on his upper brain, leading me to surmise that he was deeply involved with the Redone dragon cult. As the Redones begin in France as the Ruteni Gauls of Rousillon, which was not only "Rodez" but "Ruscino," chances are, the Ruscino version ties to the Etruscans not far offshore of Rousillon. Giovanni da Verrazzano was from Florence, you see, a major Etruscan city.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island




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